Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* (Destiny)
(Side note: your use of the term "Marry Sue" really bothers me here. We've seen plenty of male characters in Star Wars and other franchises make great leaps in power. But because Rey is female you can't accept it? Not cool.)
Enjoyed your discussion, but I'd have to disagree here. At least in the core movies (the ones I care about), I don't think there are great leaps in power. Luke's progression, for instance, is rather bumbling. (The only exception being his piloting skills, but womprats and such make that credible.) I like Rey, but her omnipotence does seem nearly instant. Finn, by comparison, sometimes seems to exist only to provide contrast. I think there is an explanation for Rey's abilities, but it's not in this movie.
I think there actually is an explanation in the movie: the turning point is when Ren invades her mind. He's so focused on finding the answers he seeks, he doesn't notice the "2-way street" until it is too late. Rey is feeling what Ren is doing to her, and is strong enough to resist it and then mimic it when she mind-controls the guard.As far as the rest, I had no problem accepting her force-grabbing the saber away from Ren, or her combat skills. But I've read loads of expanded-universe novels, which I'm sure shape my expectations. In the EU, sudden displays of astonishing power are not unheard of, and often come out of situations of intense emotional stress or obsessively single-minded determination. Darth Bane's first display of force power came at a young age, when he was so filled with rage towards his abusive father that he unknowingly crushed his heart. In Revenge of the Sith (the novel), when Vader awakens from his injuries and learns of Padme's death, he obliterates the room around him in an attempt to kill the emperor. In the New Jedi Order series, we see Jacen Solo achieve a moment of such understanding and clarity that he literally disintegrates the evil mastermind behind the Yuzen Vong.
So yes, this is all reaching outside of the film, which is a bit of a problem. But I think whether one has read the expanded fiction or not, it isn't that big a stretch to understand people are sometimes capable of feats well beyond their usual skills in moments of extreme necessity.
Agreed, but in fiction those moments are more gratifying after a failed attempt or two (her mind control of the guard is 100x more enjoyable because it doesn't work at first). I don't mean to overstate my thoughts here. I like Rey and the movie. Many of her instincts and skills seem fully formed from the start, though, and we don't know how or by whom. Not a showstopping issue by any means.
Complete thread:
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-09, 12:14
- BL2 did it well. - ProbablyLast, 2016-02-09, 12:21
- Cartoons Count? -
Durandal,
2016-02-09, 12:25
- Cartoons Count? - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-09, 12:27
- Thrawn is amazing. Good call. -
ZackDark,
2016-02-09, 12:32
- Thrawn is amazing. Good call. -
cheapLEY,
2016-02-09, 13:13
- I'm quite partial to Jacen's arc, to be honest -
ZackDark,
2016-02-09, 14:44
- Agreed - Blackt1g3r, 2016-02-09, 18:14
- I'm quite partial to Jacen's arc, to be honest -
Chewbaccawakka,
2016-02-09, 19:05
- Thats the only series I haven't read. -
cheapLEY,
2016-02-10, 01:13
- Thats the only series I haven't read. - Chewbaccawakka, 2016-02-10, 16:06
- Thats the only series I haven't read. -
cheapLEY,
2016-02-10, 01:13
- I'm quite partial to Jacen's arc, to be honest - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-02-10, 02:04
- I'm quite partial to Jacen's arc, to be honest - cheapLEY, 2016-02-11, 01:44
- I'm quite partial to Jacen's arc, to be honest -
ZackDark,
2016-02-09, 14:44
- Thrawn is amazing. Good call. -
cheapLEY,
2016-02-09, 13:13
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-02-09, 12:58
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Durandal,
2016-02-09, 13:26
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Korny,
2016-02-09, 14:01
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Durandal,
2016-02-09, 14:53
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Korny,
2016-02-09, 15:16
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - Xenos, 2016-02-09, 15:21
- I just want to say... - DiscipleN2k, 2016-02-09, 16:29
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-09, 15:24
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-02-09, 15:38
- Actually, about his bouts of rage... - ZackDark, 2016-02-09, 17:30
- Awesome analysis! - Quirel, 2016-02-09, 17:32
- +++++1 - kidtsunami, 2016-02-09, 17:48
- +1 exactly what I was thinking - Chewbaccawakka, 2016-02-09, 19:16
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-09, 19:34
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-09, 19:47
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* - Kermit, 2016-02-09, 20:05
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-02-09, 20:06
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-09, 20:14
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
Robot Chickens,
2016-02-09, 20:54
- Yeah, they took a weird direction with that *EU spoilers* -
ZackDark,
2016-02-09, 21:05
- Yeah, they took a weird direction with that *EU spoilers* - Robot Chickens, 2016-02-09, 21:11
- Yeah, they took a weird direction with that *EU spoilers* -
ZackDark,
2016-02-09, 21:05
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Leviathan,
2016-02-10, 03:01
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Quirel,
2016-02-10, 03:51
- This -
ZackDark,
2016-02-10, 03:59
- The more I saw it, the worse it got. -
Funkmon,
2016-02-10, 05:11
- You're an outlier, then. -
Quirel,
2016-02-10, 15:32
- Me too, I guess. :( -
Claude Errera,
2016-02-10, 17:52
- Outliers can be a good thing? - Quirel, 2016-02-10, 18:07
- Me too, I guess. :( -
Claude Errera,
2016-02-10, 17:52
- You're an outlier, then. -
Quirel,
2016-02-10, 15:32
- The more I saw it, the worse it got. -
Funkmon,
2016-02-10, 05:11
- This -
ZackDark,
2016-02-10, 03:59
- Let me get this straight... -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 04:35
- Haha -
Leviathan,
2016-02-10, 04:45
- Haha -
bluerunner,
2016-02-10, 15:31
- Haha - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-10, 15:38
- runpee.com - Funkmon, 2016-02-10, 15:32
- Haha -
bluerunner,
2016-02-10, 15:31
- Haha -
Leviathan,
2016-02-10, 04:45
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-10, 15:13
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-10, 15:24
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-10, 15:35
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-10, 15:40
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-10, 15:35
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
cheapLEY,
2016-02-10, 17:06
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* - Kermit, 2016-02-10, 17:45
- Empire is too ingrained in my heart & brain.*SW7 Spoilers* -
Leviathan,
2016-02-10, 18:59
- Empire is too ingrained in my heart & brain.*SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-10, 19:11
- Empire is too ingrained in my heart & brain.*SW7 Spoilers* - marmot 1333, 2016-02-10, 21:52
- Empire is too ingrained in my heart & brain.*SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-10, 19:11
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-10, 15:24
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-02-10, 16:03
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-10, 16:47
- I accidentally wrote a review. *SW7 Spoilers* -
Quirel,
2016-02-10, 03:51
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
Robot Chickens,
2016-02-09, 20:54
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
Kermit,
2016-02-09, 20:14
- Who is your favorite bad guy? *SW7 Spoilers* -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-09, 19:47
- +1 to all points. - CyberKN, 2016-02-09, 15:48
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - Kermit, 2016-02-09, 16:33
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Korny,
2016-02-09, 15:16
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Durandal,
2016-02-09, 14:53
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Korny,
2016-02-09, 14:01
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Durandal,
2016-02-09, 13:26
- Handsome Jack and Hans Gruber -
Schedonnardus,
2016-02-09, 13:28
- Alan Rickman--Any Antagonist Role... - rellekh, 2016-02-09, 17:52
- Favorite Evil Organization/faction/whatnot - dogcow, 2016-02-09, 13:32
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - Xenos, 2016-02-09, 14:31
- Who is your favorite bald guy? -
unoudid,
2016-02-09, 16:44
- Who is your favorite bald guy? -
CyberKN,
2016-02-09, 16:46
- Who is your favorite bald guy? -
Robot Chickens,
2016-02-09, 17:29
- /me hangs head in shame - CyberKN, 2016-02-09, 17:36
- Sisko > Picard -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-02-09, 17:36
- You = Wrong ;P - Chewbaccawakka, 2016-02-09, 19:19
- Who is your favorite bald guy? -
Robot Chickens,
2016-02-09, 17:29
- Who is your favorite bald guy? -
CyberKN,
2016-02-09, 16:46
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
Korny,
2016-02-09, 18:14
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - Cody Miller, 2016-02-09, 18:54
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - Cody Miller, 2016-02-09, 18:57
- Mass Effect: Sovereign -
CyberKN,
2016-02-09, 19:27
- Yes. - ZackDark, 2016-02-09, 20:29
- I got chills thinking about that again. - BeardFade, 2016-02-09, 21:48
- Yep. One of the best villain speeches ever. - Ragashingo, 2016-02-09, 22:06
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
Quirel,
2016-02-10, 01:20
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 06:11
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. - CyberKN, 2016-02-10, 06:41
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 07:24
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 08:55
- The ending failed to do the reapers justice -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 10:52
- The ending failed to do the reapers justice -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 11:34
- What I would have written -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 13:19
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 16:31
- Massive Space Battles -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 17:22
- Massive Space Battles -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 18:44
- Massive Space Battles -
narcogen,
2016-02-11, 00:51
- Massive Space Battles -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-11, 01:46
- Massive Space Battles -
marmot 1333,
2016-02-11, 16:54
- A character who is controlled by the player... so... -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-12, 10:45
- Isn't he talking about Starchild? - ZackDark, 2016-02-12, 11:09
- A character who is controlled by the player... so... -
marmot 1333,
2016-02-12, 15:46
- A character who is controlled by the player... so... - Ragashingo, 2016-02-12, 16:50
- A character who is controlled by the player... so... -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-12, 10:45
- Massive Space Battles -
marmot 1333,
2016-02-11, 16:54
- Massive Space Battles -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-11, 01:46
- Massive Space Battles -
narcogen,
2016-02-11, 00:51
- My take: - Quirel, 2016-02-11, 06:00
- Massive Space Battles -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 18:44
- What I would have written -
narcogen,
2016-02-11, 00:49
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-11, 01:41
- What I would have written -
narcogen,
2016-02-12, 06:57
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-12, 10:40
- What I would have written - narcogen, 2016-02-12, 12:32
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-12, 10:40
- What I would have written -
narcogen,
2016-02-12, 06:57
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-11, 01:41
- Massive Space Battles -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 17:22
- What I would have written -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 23:48
- A quibble -
Durandal,
2016-02-11, 11:11
- A quibble -
narcogen,
2016-02-12, 07:13
- I don't think that means what you think it means... -
Durandal,
2016-02-12, 14:23
- I don't think that means what you think it means... - narcogen, 2016-02-13, 02:25
- I don't think that means what you think it means... -
Durandal,
2016-02-12, 14:23
- A quibble -
narcogen,
2016-02-12, 07:13
- A quibble -
Durandal,
2016-02-11, 11:11
- What I would have written -
Ragashingo,
2016-02-10, 16:31
- What I would have written -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 13:19
- The ending failed to do the reapers justice -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 11:34
- The ending failed to do the reapers justice -
Durandal,
2016-02-10, 10:52
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 08:55
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
Cody Miller,
2016-02-10, 17:52
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. - narcogen, 2016-02-11, 00:53
- That is when the Reapers are at their best. -
narcogen,
2016-02-10, 06:11
- Mass Effect: Sovereign - stabbim, 2016-02-10, 19:42
- It ain't a proper villain without a good monologue. - Quirel, 2016-02-10, 02:13
- Does Darth Revan count? - Leviathan, 2016-02-10, 03:26
- Kefka - Avateur, 2016-02-10, 03:43
- Destiny Category. - Morpheus, 2016-02-10, 05:41
- Who is your favorite bad guy? -
stabbim,
2016-02-10, 20:04
- Who is your favorite bad guy? - MacAddictXIV, 2016-02-11, 13:22