I played against a team that used this strategy pretty well.

They would carry a lot of motes between the four, then bank two large blockers at once, quickly bank the rest, then send over an invader while the blockers are active. Then they would quickly gather and bank motes while this was happening to get their Primeval up.

Now the obvious counter to this would be to quickly send an invader yourself when they had lots of unbanked motes, and kill them. But they would retreat and congregate when an invader came over, making it very hard to kill them. In one round I managed with Golden gun, but for the most part they could shut down invaders pretty quickly.

Good? How to counter? Any other interesting approaches you've seen?

Sleeper. ;)

Also what are invasion kills? The Ace of Spades bounty needs five with a hand canon, and I've killed both invading guardians, and guardians while invading without the counter moving.

It's invading guardians; I haven't seen the counter not increment if you got the kill with a hand cannon. Is it possible your teammate yoinked the actual kill?

It has explosive payload. I wonder if the explosion getting the kill negates it?

Go for small blockers like crazy. It will keep their bank blocked well into invading, if done right, so you can go in and negate it all. Of course, they might switch strategy as soon as they notice that's what you're doing, which could be before you can invade.

That doesn't really seem to help that much… they aren't banking so the blockers are stopping nothing, and when you invade they would group and hide in a choke point.

It seems really effective if you invade at the right time (lots of unbanked motes) AND drop a big blocker. That way, the other team is stuck with their motes and can't bank them before you engage them.

But grouping and hiding when invaded is really good. You can't just sleeper them if they are hiding in the cathedral; no sight line and only a few ways in.

Good? How to counter? Any other interesting approaches you've seen?

Looks like Sleeper is getting nerfed thanks to Gambit overdependence:

We’re aware of reports that Sleeper Simulant feels too strong in Gambit. The Sandbox team is looking at potential changes to address this.

Our goal is to retain the strength of the weapon, but tune it so it doesn’t feel to be the only viable power weapon in Gambit. Stay tuned.

— Bungie (@Bungie) September 17, 2018

Real men use Fighting Lion. >:v

That doesn't actually say they're going to nerf Sleeper. Giving it a Spartan Laser like beam so folks know they're being painted would be a good step. Making it so that the invader doesn't see everyone on the HUD at all times would be another. When they first come in, they get two or three seconds to see it, then make it ping every 5-7 seconds or something. This would eliminate their ability to sit behind cover and charge and then peak out for the immediate kill because they can see exactly where everyone is.

It's also a matter of no one experimenting with anything else. Everyone immediately heard Sleeper was really good, so everyone started using it at the expense of everything else. The meta would change naturally over time. You can get two or three Whisper rounds off in the time it takes Sleeper to charge. A Titan bubble basically completely negates an invader using Sleeper and forces them to come to you where they can be taken care of pretty easily.

This is a perfect example of things actually being fine with the community overreacting as always because they're too dumb to use their brains.

Yup. One good invasion can turn the tide of the game for sure. I wiped the entire team one time, and thirty motes with them. Huge setback! Definitely wait until the other team has lots of unbanked notes. Don’t neasesarily rush through the portal immediately.

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