*You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians (Destiny)
The existence of the Vanquisher/Shadow Price archetype has broken crucible for some time; full auto lazer beams that are more stable than SR's and fire fast enough to kill in near the same time. I thought they'd needed a range nerf and a damage boost back when we had this conversation after
1.1.0.4(? I think)(it was this one. echo chamber), and I think it still is the best solution.The FR range nerf has been a huge success that nobodies talking about, so Bungie can clearly do range nerfs. The Shotty buff is clearly a PvE win. Smash those two all over the AR's head.
I agree. I was surprised that Bungie decided to nerf the entire AR family when I think it's just long range ARs that need to be nerfed. I think they could have even just increased the spread of all ARs and maybe even slightly increased dmg. Thus making them more of a chancy gun, but better as you get closer.
Complete thread:
- I'm done with Crucible -
ChaosSociety,
2015-03-17, 05:07
- I'm happy suros is no longer mandatory - Durandal, 2015-03-17, 10:25
- I'm done with Crucible - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-17, 11:36
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
someotherguy,
2015-03-17, 14:04
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- DYK for life... - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 17:36
- Exactly - someotherguy, 2015-03-17, 23:40
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- I'm done with Crucible - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 14:10
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 14:35
- This ^^^ - Kahzgul, 2015-03-17, 14:46
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:15
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 16:51
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- Just posting to point out TTK =/= DPS - someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 00:05
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- TTK isn't the only stat that matters -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 16:29
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-17, 17:59
- Crit isn't how I would have balanced it -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 23:59
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 00:24
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:34
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 14:20
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-18, 15:57
- + 1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-18, 16:41
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-18, 18:30
- I approve of this plan - Durandal, 2015-03-19, 15:46
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:11
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 15:35
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:28
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- More a trust issue than a numbers issue. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 15:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:35
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 16:04
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 16:20
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 21:38
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 17:45
- What is "lethality"? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:09
- The key word was "interpretation" - narcogen, 2015-03-18, 03:31
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:50
- I'm done with Crucible - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:30
- You forgot D -
someotherguy,
2015-03-18, 02:24
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Ha! I hadnt considered this. - someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 11:38
- You forgot D - dogcow, 2015-03-18, 14:04
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-19, 01:45
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. - Claude Errera, 2015-03-19, 14:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00