Sounds more like "are" to me.

Faction Class Items (ex: FWC Cloak, Dead Orbit Mark, etc.) are now replaced by Faction Emblems in the rank-up reward packages from Faction Vendors

https://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Update---12012014/en/News/News?aid=12433

But really, cutting support? That is so needlessly petty, so self-centered, so annoying that he values his entertainment more than mine enough that he would gladly deprive what has to be at least a fourth of the playerbase of bug fixes just so that he could get whatever meager bonuses that adds over just cutting further development... That's annoying.

It is about 13%. More people have done the raid than play on last gen, yet it apparently it is not worth catering to raiders, as evidenced by a lack of raid with HoW.

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You would lose nothing: just transfer your character to xbox one. Everybody else would gain much more. The writing is on the wall: you already lost the compare ability in the vault so we could have more space. Upgrade or be left behind.

Nothing except for money. But hey! No big deal! I'm sure anyone who hasn't yet upgraded will... uh... think of something.

You would lose nothing: just transfer your character to xbox one.

So a few hundred bucks is nothing, now?

Or did the Xbox One and its edition of Destiny (w/ Season Pass, unless that transfers based on account?) have a huge price drop to negligible?

Because otherwise, I think you need to reground yourself with reality. Because you're making statements that show either you don't understand how it works, or that not even you agree with, just to advance your rhetorical position instead of admit you're wrong. "And I don't see how that's anything but sad."

I'd lose all the patches yet to come, not to mention the opportunity for any future DLC, or a bunch of money. That isn't nothing. Don't say it's nothing. Please don't tell me you actually believe it's nothing.

You'd gain Bungie having less limits to development, which they could take better advantage of by just implementing them in a whole new game, so that they could have new environments, and mechanics, and all that. Which is, as I understand it, the actual plan.

Bungie could quite possibly lose more profit off of making no new last-gen sales than they would gain off of not having to develop for it, and the possible increase in next-gen sales due to higher quality.

So, can I kindly ask you to either think things through, or stop spouting things even you don't agree with? Because I thought those were both reasonable expectations for most discussion. When you start complying with those conventions, I'll stop lacing my speech with passive-aggressive barbs at you, which is the main social nicety I'm breaking right now.

How's that sound?

When I read Cody's post, it never end occurred to me that he meant "remove the ability for people to play Destiny on 360 & PS3". That would be a harsh move to say the least.

I interpreted his post as "after HoW, Destiny on 360 & PS3 will remain as it is while the PS4 and Xbox One versions will continue to grow and be updated in ways that take full advantage of the hardware".

We need him to clarify, as those are obviously 2 very different suggestions :)

The second option. If you want any content beyond HoW, you would need to upgrade to current gen. You could still play what you already have on last gen.

I didn't think he meant shut down the servers, but if one defines "development" and "support" as different things, support has to include the free patches and bug fixes, no?

Cutting those entirely is what riled me.

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You're basically asking Destiny owners who have not yet shelled out for a new console to pay the price of your impatience because Bungie should prioritize you over them because you bought a new console.

Bungie should prioritize making the best game they can. That means ditching old hardware.

If this really was the only consideration for any product, game or otherwise, they would never be released as we've previously discussed. Also if somehow it did get released it would cost a lot more than $60. When running a business compromises are always necessary, most people and companies aim to make the best product they can, but what they usually end up making (because we live in the real world) is the best product they can make under certain restrictions so that they can make a good profit from said product. It's the reality of not only game design, but of every business in the world.

And throwing away millions in games sales from a console with much more market penetration. It's math son.

You're basically asking Destiny owners who have not yet shelled out for a new console to pay the price of your impatience because Bungie should prioritize you over them because you bought a new console.

Bungie should prioritize making the best game they can. That means ditching old hardware.

Only for a limited definition of "best".

You trot this kind of absolutist nonsense out way too damn often to be taken seriously.

The "best game they could make" would run only on the best possible console, which no one could afford to own. Going down this road eventually leads to questions like whether or not God can microwave a burrito so hot even he cannot eat it.

Bungie can, should, and to some measurable extent has, make the best game that is practically possible to be consumed by an optimal population, preferably one that generates enough revenue to justify continued support and development.

If it made sense to drop such support, they would do it. When it makes sense to drop such support, they will drop it. It should be obvious why such support was not dropped at the start of development, and having made that call then, it should be obvious why it is not so easily dropped now, especially considering that the next gen versions will not magically overcome the limitations of the game's design merely because Bungie stops developing or supporting the last gen versions.

What your screed completely fails to justify is why a theoretical threat to ragequit from the next gen owners like you and me is any more worthwhile or credible than the theoretical ragequit threat from last gen owners.

You're basically asking Destiny owners who have not yet shelled out for a new console to pay the price of your impatience because Bungie should prioritize you over them because you bought a new console.

Bungie should prioritize making the best game they can. That means ditching old hardware.

If that were true, Destiny would be a PC exclusive ;)

Bungie needs to focus on making the best game they can sell. Given the install base of the 360 and PS3, it makes perfect sense for Destiny 1 to be cross-gen. But by the time Destiny 2 rolls around, next gen install base should be large enough to make next-gen only a viable business decision (which will also mean good things for the game itself).

You're basically asking Destiny owners who have not yet shelled out for a new console to pay the price of your impatience because Bungie should prioritize you over them because you bought a new console.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that its a natural reaction for new console owners to get a little frustrated over their game being "held back" because of old hardware. As I said in another post, we knew the game would be a cross-gen title, but we also thought the game would be very different than it is. Bungie specifically showed us things/said things that later had to be taken out, at least in part because the old consoles couldn't handle it.

Such as?

This one's a sore point with me because it feeds directly into the "Bungie lied" nonsense. We know that levels were made the size they were to accommodate the last-gen consoles. That player and AI count per area were kept where they are in order to support last-gen. But what do we know that was removed thanks to last-gen? New content (levels, multiplayer maps, etc) would seem to be a production issue not an engine / next-gen vs last-gen issue since we're getting new maps and levels with each major update. We know there are some levels and perhaps even worlds that didn't make it into the final game (there was once going to be a derelict spaceship we were going to board and fight on according to Jason Jones, and, of course, Saturn, which was mentioned as a destination just once two years before Destiny shipped) but there's no indication those were cut because of technical limitations vs story or production reasons.