... I'd like to start a thread where we love or hate on it.

You may have been gone the past week or two, but...

Tl;dr, Either folks understand the gametype and love it, or they hate shotgunners and hate it.

Few (if any) fall in the middle ground where they enjoy running around with teammates, or have fun hanging back while teammates pick up their crests.

I personally would be happy to never play it ever again.

I personally wish that it would be the default Iron Banner gametype. Yay opinions!

I'm just no good at it. I don't play the game hyper-aggressively, I can't whip shotguns around 180 degrees and Matador or Party Crash you to death (I play sensitivity 4, I think, and it's just too slow once your within a couple meters of a person. Half the time I can't find the person once they've jumped/slid into my periphery).

Fun fact, I only ever play hyper-aggressively (even while sniping), and I play at sensitivity 4. What's more, I play as a floaty Warlock, so I tend to die to shotgunners. A lot. My recommendation is to use Trespasser if you have one. If you've got a shotgunner coming at you, you've got a faster TTK than almost any primary (save for a TLW), and you're guaranteed ammo on spawn. Otherwise most sidearms will do the job (I've fallen in love with the Iron Banner sidearm with extended mag and Crowd Control)

I play a lot as a Gunslinger and Nightstalker and our melees are just complete weak sauce compared to every other melee out there.

BladeDancer melee, maybe, but the Gunslinger and Nightstalker melees were really annoying (especially the Toxin Smoke grenades). Don't sell your class short.

I don't like running around the map as fast as I possibly can the entire game. I had a lot of games where I'd have a decent K/D but only pick up 3 or 4 crests because I just don't engage people at close ranges often.

Same. But it's a team game. I had moments where I simply hung back and let my Scout rifles do the talking when I saw teammates running towards the fray. Coordination and communication is key.

It's just not for me.

And that's fair. It's a very different gametype than anything in Destiny, and rewards completely different strategies. Being MLGnoscopes360 won't get you far, and that's one thing that I love about it.

In fact, the only way I would find Supremacy interesting is if you REMOVED shotguns from the game type. Maybe even fusion rifles. Then again, I've made a post saying everyone should have a sidearm as their CQC weapon.

As a Trespasser man, I can dig this.
As a sniper... I can also dig this.

It's good stuff. Bungie shouldn't change a thing. I saw snipers used unbelievably effectively in Supremacy, and obviously shotguns are a force of their own. I went into the playlist with four players minimum and six maximum, and it was always a good time. I feel like that playlist would have been horrible if I didn't have that many people with me, and thus I didn't even bother trying it solo or with a group of three or two.

I'm not a huge PvP fan, and I certainly don't play hyper-aggressive either, so the first day of IB I HATED it. Absolutely just was left wondering, "why do I play this game? This is not FUN."

Then I played a bit more with larger fireteams, and opened up my tactics a bit - I still can't hold my own with most of the slide-shottys out there, but I discovered the IB fusion rifle is quite effective at keeping them away from me, provided I keep an eye on my radar and watch my corners. I DID have to pick up my game a bit, in terms of reaction time - you have to engage or retreat IMMEDIATELY, there's no time to ponder mid-fight. Plan your attack and execute. Keep doing that until it doesn't work, then immediately reroute.

By the end of IB Week I discovered that you don't have to play hyper-aggressive to have fun, and even WIN; but it takes a BUNCH more active communication, coordination and tactics to do so. I actually think Supremecy is one of the MORE tactically-inclined gametypes, because basic Rambo-run-n-gun will NOT always take the points.

I can definitely see myself playing more PvP with Supremecy on the palate - only with friends though. :)

I play a lot as a Gunslinger and Nightstalker and our melees are just complete weak sauce compared to every other melee out there

Defenders have a shorter range melee than any Hunter melee, charged or uncharged. Worse, Defenders get absolutely nothing until a kill... which is just super when Warlocks punch at beyond Shotgun ranges and Hunters have all kinds of deadly ranged attacks. Not really sure what your complaint is in regard to charged vs uncharged Hunter melees either... Unless I'm mistaken, and aside from Backstab, you do the same amount of damage in the Crucible if you connect with any close range (knife stab) melee attack, charged or not.

As for Supremacy itself, its odd. I do fairly well k/d wise (probably because I Dreg's Promise all the shotgun charging fools left and right) but usually get under 10 points in either of the two crest columns on the score screen. So, while I feel I'm playing well, I usually come last or second to last on the scorecard and it feels kinda weird. Like, I don't think my being there has really decided too many games.

It's also... interesting... how well or badly Supremacy games tend to go. I had a few memorable last second wins and losses over the week but very few actual comebacks. You just don't get that 2x or 3x multiplier like you can with Control which means if you're 10 points behind your entire team has to play spectacularly (getting the kills without dying) AND smartly (picking up enemy crests without dying) to make up even one point of ground. I think I like the actual moment to moment gameplay well enough... its fun to deny a few friendly crests and dart around a corner before the enemy can kill me... but the gameplay also very much lends itself to blowouts.

I guess... overall... I think it's an ok mode but I probably like Control's mechanics a little more.

I don't know if captured and denied crests are scored differently...

but for goodness' sake, don't color them differently. You're encouraging people who don't understand the gametype to ignore the blue ones. Make them all the same color and worth the same (if they aren't already).

I think Supremacy promotes a fun playstyle and have enjoyed it a lot. It is such a contrast from the typical snoozefest in other non-mayhem game modes that I actually looked forward to running IB on all 3 characters.

I do wish the score limit was a little lower, as a lot of my matches tended to either go the full time or end with <30 seconds left. But I'm fine with it.

So... why do you love it? Why do you hate it? How does it or does it not fit your play style? How does it feel as a team game? As a solo game? Let's hear it.

I've always loved objective based PvP playlists though. Control & Salvage (now that it's fixed) and even Rift if on a team of 6. Back in Halo Reach/4 I preferred objective based games, or Swat. I HATE CoD games, but when I have played I always preferred Kill Confirm for CoD.

You just have to go with the gametype and understand you are playing a hyper aggressive gametype where you need to get up in people's faces in order to succeed. I pretty much ran The Last Word and a Full Auto Matador over IB. Embrace your inner run and gunner and just have some fun.

I play on the default sensitivity (3?) and have never really had an issue. For supremacy I have taken to being in the air a lot more than normal. This is because when playing in such close quarters with enemies jumping tends to throw people off and give you valuable seconds to get an advantage on an enemy. Slide Shotgunning and Jump Shotgunning has been a blast. I've been running Striker/Blade Dancer/Storm Caller as my subclasses as I feel they give the best advantages for my play style.

Works best as a Team gametype. If you are running solo, just stick to your teammates as best as you can and make sure to grab those crests.

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I used a fusion rifle/hand cannon combo and it really just seemed to click for me by the end. I also tried out the artifact that gives you two melees and two grenades at the cost of a super. That was really fun. Toss a grenade, finish them off with the hand cannon. Or lead with a fusion and if that doesn't kill, toss a scatter grenade and run around the corner.

This gametype is perfect for setting up flanks. Teams often set up shop and shoot at each other until a big enough sway in power has occurred where they can collect crests. Going invisible keeps you off the radar and able to flank.

I promise, most of my kills didn't come from shotguns this time (stupid nerfing of universal).

This might be my new favorite gametype.

There are some notable issues. Primary among them being the use of "Clash Spawns." I don't like the ereatic nature and unpredictable spawns for my personal spawning. And sometimes the enemies spawning in illogical places are worse. I would think it should weight the spawns farthest from combat first, to allow ebb and flow with calms for seizing, but that does not appear to be how it works. Also, seeing friendlies spawn in surrounded by the enemy team we just wiped (i.e., they spawned with them) is baffling

On special weapons however I don't agree for the most part. There are enough gametypes already that over-reward sniping compared to the other special weapons. I appreciate the flip. I will say that I think that it would benefit as a gametype overall to spawn with only primary, but special bricks are dropped from enemies and Special drops are treated more like mini-heavy rounds. That way at predetermined intervals maybe at 3-4 places on a map special spawns and either breaks up or focuses combat. If you want shotggun all the time you can use Invective, but you have to survive long enough for the perk to proc. Sidearms now also have a distinct spawn-in advantage.

Other than that? Some maps were definitely better than others for the gametype. And many people seeming to miss core concepts were frustrating. Also anytime someone was lagging and you couldn't grab their crest. Some edges need to be Ironed out, but it's a lot of fun to mix up objectives and not have to resort to playing Clash.

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Based purely on your description, it sounds like you're taking a weapon you don't like into CQC situations you're not comfortable in and then getting upset when it doesn't work out the way you want. I suggest playing to your strengths. Just as grabbing enemy crests is important, so is picking up friendly ones. Every team needs 2-3 people who hang back a bit, teamshoot the enemy, and also pick up any friendly crests that may drop.

Change your priority from attacking the enemy to helping your teammates. Spawn in and run to the nearest green dot on your radar. Shoot the guys he's shooting at, pick up his crest if he dies. The enemy may kill both of you, but they'll still only get credit for one kill.

And let's talk guns. Even though I run my shotgun in Supremacy, it's not my first option. I very much prefer to hang back a bit and light 'em up with my hand cannon. Got a buddy? You can both pull the trigger once, and if one of you gets a LitC proc, the enemy dies.

For the record, I think the throwing knife is the second best melee in the game (behind stormcaller absurd range melee). Remember how I mentioned LitC earlier? Your throwing knife does more damage than that. One shot from your HC, throw a knife. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. Plus you can assume everyone is running a shotgun. Which means a fusion rifle will mop them the hell up.

On a more general note for all crucible: You may not be using your jump effectively. I strongly encourage you to watch some streamer vids and notice how often they're airborne. That's how they avoid corner camping shotgunners and hard-scoping snipers. Jumping is also often the easiest and fastest way to change your direction while moving, throwing off enemy aim and allowing you to create distance when you lose track of someone else's movement. Sliding is great, too. You should try to have your head at "head height" as little as possible.

The TL;DR is just to play to your strengths, use the weapons you like best, and don't fall prey to the shotgun rushers only mentality of 90% of the Supremacy players I encounter.

I really liked it.

But it's like you said... I have a very hyperactive play style. I grew up on competitive Quake 1 and that game to this day has wired my brain for in your face fast action - head constantly on a swivel - gameplay

Having said all that.... I am not a shotgunner. I have gone against the meta and I have been using side arms nonstop. My favorite is the FWC vendor buy: The Wormwood. I have been winning many fights before the shotgunner can get me.

I was hesitant to jump into this as unless I am playing with other scrubs like myself, I am not very good in crucible.

I actually really enjoyed this though. I tend to hang back and pick groups of people off while others rush in and grab the crests, it tends to work out really well until I completely forget what I am doing and rush someone get blown away.