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I wrote up a large reply and then my browser crashed. So, summary of what I wrote: Hunters are not as underpowered as people imply, they are just a class that's intended to keep moving. You have 0/7/7, my Hunter is currently rocking 4/5/6, not that much lower on recovery OR resilience, both of which is made up by the Hunter's ability to get out of situations as long as you learn to use your dodge at the right times. As far as abilities, we don't get anything crazy like devour, but they do reward maneuvering while engaging, and if you can master it you can do really well, it just plays very differently than the other two classes, both of which have abilities that literally encourage you to stand and fight head on.

FYI I main a hunter.

I run 4/7/4 on my hunter. It's fine, but my warlock feels OP in comparison.

Oh and P.S.
I get two Golden Guns most matches with my Hunter

HOW????? I have literally never gotten a 2nd super with any hunter subclass. On my warlock I do it about 30% of the time.

I wrote up a large reply and then my browser crashed. So, summary of what I wrote: Hunters are not as underpowered as people imply, they are just a class that's intended to keep moving. You have 0/7/7, my Hunter is currently rocking 4/5/6, not that much lower on recovery OR resilience, both of which is made up by the Hunter's ability to get out of situations as long as you learn to use your dodge at the right times. As far as abilities, we don't get anything crazy like devour, but they do reward maneuvering while engaging, and if you can master it you can do really well, it just plays very differently than the other two classes, both of which have abilities that literally encourage you to stand and fight head on.

Oh and P.S.
I get two Golden Guns most matches with my Hunter

I currently use 8/5/2, with MIDA and StompEEs. It's very fast, and I can outrun anything. However I constantly get shot out of my super while on approach, and I don't win 1:1s unless I can get the first shot or two in. I'm not saying it can't work, but its loads easier on my 1/7/7 titan. I don't even run Uriels/MIDA/Last hope on my titan and can do work. It's just easier, and I don't need as much situational awareness or first shots.

I wrote up a large reply and then my browser crashed. So, summary of what I wrote: Hunters are not as underpowered as people imply, they are just a class that's intended to keep moving. You have 0/7/7, my Hunter is currently rocking 4/5/6, not that much lower on recovery OR resilience, both of which is made up by the Hunter's ability to get out of situations as long as you learn to use your dodge at the right times. As far as abilities, we don't get anything crazy like devour, but they do reward maneuvering while engaging, and if you can master it you can do really well, it just plays very differently than the other two classes, both of which have abilities that literally encourage you to stand and fight head on.

Totally. I ran 7/5/1 all of IB with my Hunter, which is my worst class, and never felt like a firefight was stacked unfairly against me. I would engage, kill, and GTFO more than I would as a Warlock or Titan, sure, but most of the time it was to hit the enemy from a different angle, or to lure them to my teammates. You gotta know your class's strengths and weaknesses. Honestly, when I finally switched over to my Titan, I found myself trying to dodge over and over, since I'd come to rely on the usefulness of it. The enemy must have just thought that I was teabagging in the middle of engagements...

Oh and P.S.
I get two Golden Guns most matches with my Hunter

Same, and a lot of that had to do with the fact that I'd get to stay alive long enough to collect teammates' orbs more than I do with my other classes, thanks to the increased mobility.

2. Smoke grenades are still amazing and I don't care what anyone says (I know it's technically not a "grenade" but whatever)

Agreed. I actually think they lock you down more than the D1 smoke grenades, just for less time.

I like D2 Crucible much more than I ever did D1 Crucible.

I'm not versed enough in Crucible to really be able to articulate why. I suspect it's because it feels less like bullshit. 6v6 was a chaotic hellscape, especially if the opposing team got on a super roll and grabbed power ammo. Even when I was playing well, I rarely felt like I was making much of a difference--there was just too much going on.

D2, by comparison, feels tight and controlled, and I always feel like I know exactly what is happening, which routes need to be controlled, etc. I've only played a few matches of D2 crucible solo, so that probably has a large part to do with my favorable reaction.

I don't know how true it actually is, since it's been way too long since I've played it, but D2 Crucible feels much more like Halo multiplayer than D1 did. Maybe that's just imagined on my part, but it feels like I remember Halo 2 Slayer feeling, in a lot of ways (just with less grenade spam).

seems like there is less team shotting in the casual playlist, which is probably due to there being more randos. I do think that going to 4v4 is bad, and it was especially noticeable in iron banner. once one team gets the upper hand, they can team shot all the spawn points.

Yep. And the relatively small map sizes (in part, because of the small team sizes) in general contribute to this.

I think the game skewing towards team tactics is exactly *one* of the changes that needed to be made. It's much more satisfying to me to be able to stick with a teammate and clean up just by virtue of combined fire, than to have one really skilled player run roughshod over the map killing my team while all his clueless blueberries bumble around and occasionally do some work on the objective.

~M

The flip side of this is that, no matter how good of a player you are, you feel mostly worthless if you can't coordinate with your teammates, which essentially ruins solo queue play. I think that is very problematic.

It’s strange... I don’t disagree with 90% of the criticisms leveled against Destiny 2’s PvP game, and yet I had more fun with last week’s Iron Banner than I ever had with IB in D1. Yes, Des2ny’s crucible is punishing as hell for solo players... but let’s not pretend that D1 was any better in this regard. This single biggest difference between the two games in my estimation is that I don’t die to random BS in Des2ny nearly as often as I did in D1. If I die in Des2ny, I almost always know exactly why, and I usually have an idea of what I could have done differently. It’s a far cry from the D1 days of getting killed through walls by opponents who were already dead, or spawning into a sniper lane, or getting obliterated by super after super after super.

Really, my takeaway is that D2 Crucible is much harder than D1, but also much better.

I agree with this. The prevalence of OHKs in D1 made it full of kills that happened (or didn't happen) because of milliseconds of lag. D2 seems far more forgiving in this regard, and it's harder to die to complete garbage. I apologize if it made it sound like I thought D1 was more fun. I think D1 had more depth and a much higher skill ceiling that D2 does, but overall D2 is a big improvement. That being said, it is also far from perfect, and where D1 gave you a chance, even when you were outgunned, D2 gives nothing. That is, perhaps, as it should be, but I feel as if there's a balance to be struck where a 1v2 scenario shouldn't always be a foregone conclusion.