ODST Firefight was an endurance challenge. You picked a map and you got to work. Survive as long as you can.

Reach Firefight was a variety of bite-size, casual/arcade experiences (rocketfight, etc) that were further shamed by custom game settings that led to infinite rockets with invulnerable players vs 100% grunts.

I loved ODST Firefight. A buddy and me were so good at it, that we once played for about 6 hours once. That was a long night...

My main problem is that the punishments for dying (especially in nightfall) are so harsh that it encourages players to play as safely as possible in order to stay alive and get loot, rather then being forgiving to the point that experimentation is rewarded.

All of the bosses have such terrible AI that the fights aren't really - in and of themselves - fun. They're all super predictable and 1-shot deadly. It's dumb (and why I quit WoW). I'd love to fight a boss that had great AI but wasn't as 1-shotty, so that when he surprised me I could stay alive by running or something. Another part of the problem is that the player has very limited verbs: Shoot, jump, move. I'd love to see better use of these, by giving us blocks to push to create or block sightlines, things to jump on that activated other things, or stuff to shoot that wasn't obviously "the boss" but that assisted in the fight somehow.

I have two thoughts on this.

1. I agree with the lack of verbs. I feel like we have these awesome jumping and moving abilities that allow for mobility that aren't truly used to their fullest potential.

2. I wish they would also implement something like the Hunter (Halo) Type AI (they kinda do with Phalanxes) Where you need to agro an enemy to allow another guardian to get to a critical spot. On the same note. Rarely does flanking help. In fact, most of the time flanking actually hurts you if you want to get precision shots on most enemies like the Vex or Cabal (stupid hunching jerks)

Although determining what actually constitutes casual in this game is a monster of a different nature.

I consider myself a casual player. I don't go for completion, and just do what I find to be fun.

This is precisely what I'm talkin' about. Casual in this game is probably more of a bell curve than it is a clear demarcation. I'd say it's safe to say you're more on the right slope of the bell curve than the left slope, but even so, you bring up a good point about fun.

IIRC, One of Bungie's presentations at GDC brought up the fact that the daily average playtime in destiny was about 3 hours, and more on weekends. THAT IS A LOT OF HOURS TO BE JUST "AVERAGE".

What quantifies someone as "casual" in this case? 1 hour? An hour and a half?

I'm not going to try to establish or make an argument here, because the term itself is so nebulous. But I do wonder what the average (or "casual") player's daily grind looks like, in comparison to us here on DBO.

You can exhaust the content quickly, or exhaust the content slowly, but the content gets exhausted regardless.

It's like a weekend Netflix binge on a whole season of a show or watching 1 episode a week. It might take longer to consume, but it's the same show.

Oh, definitely not disagreeing with that. I'm just curious what percentage of the player population is burnt out on the end-game content.

And how many people do complete everything and then actually stop playing? At this point completing the game seems to be escaping the skinner box.

Last week of Destiny's endgame is the same as next week of Destiny's endgame. That is unfortunate, and while I've always enjoyed a good lull in a game, I hope Bungie comes up with something, anything, to spice things up on a regular basis.

I think "new" is all Bungie needs to excite us. It could be as simple as a limited-time public event in a single location. New bounties, or some kind of community bounty. Debuff armor. New chests hidden in Patrol. Something PvP-related.

I'm gonna be really bummed if Trials of Osiris comes out in April.

I think "new" is all Bungie needs to excite us. It could be as simple as a limited-time public event in a single location. New bounties, or some kind of community bounty. Debuff armor. New chests hidden in Patrol. Something PvP-related.

When we first learned that HoW wouldn't arrive until april/may 2015, my first thought was "oh boy, that's a LONG TIME with no new content". As great as the 1.11 update was, I'm disappointed that we haven't gotten anything new to do since TBO was released.

I've speculated before that Bungie's "sustain" team for Destiny is a lot smaller than some of us might first assume, and lulls like this reinforce the idea for me. The studio at large very well could be all-hands-on-deck with Comet & Destiny 2 at this point, with a very small group of programmers and designers and 1 or 2 artists working on patches/updates/House of Wolves.

This forum also seems very 1%ish, in terms of completion; I don't see a lot of the most frequent posters who play casually. I'm actually quite curious what percentage of the player population plays 'casually'. Although determining what actually constitutes casual in this game is a monster of a different nature.

According to PS4 trophy data, about 80% of Destiny players have never even played a raid. So there's that.

That in particular doesn't blow my mind so much, because I think in general most people don't want to play with strangers, and/or don't know how to go about finding groups to play with. That may actually be the definition of casual in destiny: players who don't want to play end-game content because of a lack of friends in the game, who don't pursue joining a clan or using the100/lfg to acquire friends, and who ultimately never raid or nightfall due to a lack of teammates.

This forum also seems very 1%ish, in terms of completion; I don't see a lot of the most frequent posters who play casually. I'm actually quite curious what percentage of the player population plays 'casually'. Although determining what actually constitutes casual in this game is a monster of a different nature.

According to PS4 trophy data, about 80% of Destiny players have never even played a raid. So there's that.

What's the % of trophy data for Use of Weapons?

This forum also seems very 1%ish, in terms of completion; I don't see a lot of the most frequent posters who play casually. I'm actually quite curious what percentage of the player population plays 'casually'. Although determining what actually constitutes casual in this game is a monster of a different nature.

According to PS4 trophy data, about 80% of Destiny players have never even played a raid. So there's that.

So 80% of players have only played the worst parts of Destiny. Yet another argument for making the raid accessible at low levels.

According to PS4 trophy data, about 80% of Destiny players have never even played a raid. So there's that.

I don't think this is necessarially a good metric for drawing conclusions. I mean, wasn't there a study years ago that said that something like 80% of players didn't finish the single player of their games? I remember it being a reason developers touted as to why they put more focus on the first half of the game than the second half.

So I've avoided pushing on getting a fatebringer. I don't want only one primary that is the best thing I'll ever use. I want variety, and I'm willing to sacrifice a little to help keep me on my toes.

It's not the be all end all. I have one and I use plenty of other primaries. It's great, but you won't want to use it in every situation.

Yeah, that's what I'm going to say from now on. It's not that I try and try and it never drops. It's because I don't want to use it, and....Ugh, forget it. FATEBRINGER, WHY DO YOU AVOID ME???

I use it, sure, but there are plenty of other weapons that in most situations not only ARE better, but are also more fun :)

Also, Gjallahorn isn't the end all of rocket launchers. I much prefer Truth in Crucible.