Xur: HotPF, Don't Touch Me, Ruin Wings, Hard Light, glove.

Opinion: All of these are good, even FANTASTIC, except hard light, but that is fun to use.

Buy every item today, but conserve your gauntlet motes (read: don't buy unless you feel the overwhelming need) for IB reforge!

Well, back to sleep. Good luck!

EDIT: all of these are so good, you should buy the armor even if you don't have a character of that class just in case you make one. No joke.

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So far I have passed on this exotic but it appears that everyone else in the Destiny community disagrees with me. So this chest give you a better Radiance correct? You can throw grenades faster and use your melee ability faster? I wouldn't think that this was all that amazing considering that I don't spend much of my time playing in Radiance. Maybe if it made Radiance last longer, or made me tougher during it, or improved additional attributes I would want it.

So, why does everyone seem to say that this is one of the best (or THE best) Sunsinger exotic?

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Cause it's awesome. I was doing some testing the other day and without HotPF I could throw somewhere around 5 to 6 grenades during radiance. With it I could do more like 11 to 13. The recharge rate is almost double and it helps a lot when you are trying to clear out or survive a group of enemies.

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I can't hear you over the sound of my insta-recharging Nova Bomb!

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Probably wearing an Obsidian Mind, a weapon that boosts super recharge, and armor that gives you super energy from grenade kills. My usual level 32 set is with the Obsidian Mind and . . . yeah . . . being a Warlock can be legit.

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I can't hear you over the sound of my insta-recharging Nova Bomb!

100% of discussion is regarding PvP.
Brings PvE clip of specific scenario (large Thrall cluster)...

Well okay, then.

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I can't hear you over the sound of my insta-recharging Nova Bomb!

100% of discussion is regarding PvP.
Brings PvE clip of specific scenario (large Thrall cluster)...

Well okay, then.

Who...in the balls...cares.

PvE, PvP, it doesn't matter--I will turn the whole damn world purple until you're just a black mark on the floor.

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Note: Banana is significantly more handsome than Jason Alexander.

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So far I have passed on this exotic but it appears that everyone else in the Destiny community disagrees with me. So this chest give you a better Radiance correct? You can throw grenades faster and use your melee ability faster? I wouldn't think that this was all that amazing considering that I don't spend much of my time playing in Radiance. Maybe if it made Radiance last longer, or made me tougher during it, or improved additional attributes I would want it.

So, why does everyone seem to say that this is one of the best (or THE best) Sunsinger exotic?

I made an in-depth analysis on the values and perks of HotPF, but basically, it enhances your cooldowns during radiance to a very significant degree, Allowing you to become a grenade-throwing monster. You really notice the difference when you don't have it...

That said, I used to wear it 24/7, but nowadays I only equip it once my Super is maxed, given my playstyle.

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That said, I used to wear it 24/7, but nowadays I only equip it once my Super is maxed, given my playstyle.

Hhm, that's interesting. Right now I love relying on Voidfang Vestments to give me 2 grades on every spawn. If I were to switch to HotPF JUST for supers though . . . now that's interesting!

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That said, I used to wear it 24/7, but nowadays I only equip it once my Super is maxed, given my playstyle.

Hhm, that's interesting. Right now I love relying on Voidfang Vestments to give me 2 grades on every spawn. If I were to switch to HotPF JUST for supers though . . . now that's interesting!

Exactly what I do...

Voidfang, then swap to HotPF (and incendiary Firebolt if you have the time) as soon as Super is full.

They won't stand a chance.

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I don't spend much of my time playing in Radiance.

Do you only save radiance for when you die? If so, you should try this chest plus radiant skin and use your super soon after it charges. You're tougher, you get flame shield with every melee, and you throw a ton of grenades. It's a great offensive weapon. Don't just use the super as a revive tool.

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I don't spend much of my time playing in Radiance.

Do you only save radiance for when you die? If so, you should try this chest plus radiant skin and use your super soon after it charges. You're tougher, you get flame shield with every melee, and you throw a ton of grenades. It's a great offensive weapon. Don't just use the super as a revive tool.

Or, if you're playing PvE, this is the time to use song of flame, and share with cooldown to spare.

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I don't spend much of my time playing in Radiance.

Do you only save radiance for when you die?

Nah I meant statistically time spent in Radiance is much shorter than time spent in non-radiance. In PvE I save it mostly for dying but in PvP I'm much more liberal with it.

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Yep. Every once in a while I switch to self revive but mostly I fire up Radiant Skin and just wade in flinging and endless supply of Firebolt grenades.

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I wish I had a clip of this. Once while playing the Crota raid, during the "mob cleanup" phase, a bunch of knights & acolytes were gathered on the left hand side, I popped my radiance & burninated the countryside, there was nowhere for those knights & acolytes to run, I generated a bajillion orbs. That was when I realized how cool the Heart of Praxic Fire is.

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Why? Because it's fun! Plenty of bullets and upgradeable to be quite stable. It delivers lots of headshots, and it has the most 'space-marine' feel of any gun outside of suros, but with a less obnoxious sound.

There's also a long shot that someday they'll have the Raichu-patch, and high ROF AR's will be good somehow.

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They will still never be good.

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They will still never be good.

The best part of the night, by far:

-Unoudid tells Raichu High ROF AR's will never be good.
-Match begins.
-Raichu just. Goes. HAM. Leads team wire to wire and we win by 14k.
-Match ends.
-Raichu: "How about those high ROF AR's?"
-Unoudid: "They still suck."

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I even had the most Assists!

Bravo team just couldn't realize that every time they struck me down I'd just rise again, more powerful than they could have ever imagined.

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It's definitely not the quickest kill time or anything, but the sound makes it very fun to use.

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Where "not the quickest" is defined as "it will never kill and your enemies will feel perfectly safe." (At least in The Crucible.) :)

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Where "not the quickest" is defined as "it will never kill and your enemies will feel perfectly safe." (At least in The Crucible.) :)

Oh sweet jesus, don't bring it into the crucible. This is just for fun on patrol. The only person you'll kill in the crucible with it is Ragashingo. I guess it was just that one time yesterday ;)

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Where "not the quickest" is defined as "it will never kill and your enemies will feel perfectly safe." (At least in The Crucible.) :)

Oh sweet jesus, don't bring it into the crucible. This is just for fun on patrol. The only person you'll kill in the crucible with it is Ragashingo. I guess it was just that one time yesterday ;)

Well that's just plain not true. Maybe it's not for everyone, but if you spec it for its max stability it's pretty useful on more closed-in maps. The hard surface ricochets really come into play there, and it's good for getting fire on a guy quick to throw 'em off. I was actually switching between HL and MIDA (depending on map size) the last couple nights in IB and did quite alright.

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Where "not the quickest" is defined as "it will never kill and your enemies will feel perfectly safe." (At least in The Crucible.) :)

Oh sweet jesus, don't bring it into the crucible. This is just for fun on patrol. The only person you'll kill in the crucible with it is Ragashingo. I guess it was just that one time yesterday ;)

Well that's just plain not true. Maybe it's not for everyone, but if you spec it for its max stability it's pretty useful on more closed-in maps. The hard surface ricochets really come into play there, and it's good for getting fire on a guy quick to throw 'em off. I was actually switching between HL and MIDA (depending on map size) the last couple nights in IB and did quite alright.

Agreed, overall the auto rifle nerf is exaggerated. I get killed by Up For Anythings and For the Peoples pretty regularly in Crucible.

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Also, if you get all headshots, it's one of the quickest TTKs in the game, but nobody will get all headshots.

However, the situations are better served by guns like The Last Word, in my opinion.

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Also, if you get all headshots, it's one of the quickest TTKs in the game, but nobody will get all headshots.

However, the situations are better served by guns like The Last Word, in my opinion.

Which also has the lowest theoretical time to kill. 2 hip fire headshots :-)

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Where "not the quickest" is defined as "it will never kill and your enemies will feel perfectly safe." (At least in The Crucible.) :)

Oh sweet jesus, don't bring it into the crucible. This is just for fun on patrol. The only person you'll kill in the crucible with it is Ragashingo. I guess it was just that one time yesterday ;)

Well that's just plain not true. Maybe it's not for everyone, but if you spec it for its max stability it's pretty useful on more closed-in maps. The hard surface ricochets really come into play there, and it's good for getting fire on a guy quick to throw 'em off. I was actually switching between HL and MIDA (depending on map size) the last couple nights in IB and did quite alright.

If you can make high rof AR's work for you, I'd never discourage you from using them. Raichu has made them work for a long time, and if you can pair them with a sniper you like, they work very effectively against shotgun sliders (when you see them coming).

That said, I always encourage players who enjoy them to give Last Word a try, since that's basically a High ROF AR but with shotgun-sized stopping power.

I was mostly making a joke at Raga's expense, since he just bad mouthed Hard Light right after very vocally dying to one in an Iron Banner match last night.

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If you can make high rof AR's work for you, I'd never discourage you from using them. Raichu has made them work for a long time, and if you can pair them with a sniper you like, they work very effectively against shotgun sliders (when you see them coming).

That said, I always encourage players who enjoy them to give Last Word a try, since that's basically a High ROF AR but with shotgun-sized stopping power.

I was mostly making a joke at Raga's expense, since he just bad mouthed Hard Light right after very vocally dying to one in an Iron Banner match last night.

That's the thing... it's not that Auto Rifles are "useless"... it's just that there isn't a single situation where they truly excel above all the other weapons. The best auto rifles often end up being "the 2nd best choice" in any given situation, which can make them feel well-rounded, yet underpowered in any 1-on-1 standoff.

I've been one of the loudest supporters of Suros Regime post-nerf, and I stand by my opinion: It is still a great gun. But, now that I'm finally starting to get the hang of Thorn and Hawkmoon, I doubt I'll ever go back to Suros (unless another balance tweak shakes things up).

So it's not that you can't go in to the crucible and do just fine with Hard Light, Suros, or a handful of other Auto Rifles... but I would argue that most people would do even better with a different weapon type, once they learn how to use it. Which is a shame, since I love auto rifles. And damn, Hard Light is a blast to use :)

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I swore by auto rifles per-nerf and thought the Suros was the best thing ever. Unfortunately now it just can't hold up going against TLW or Thorn. It's still a great gun but the TTK is too slow for most encounters these days.

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I swore by auto rifles per-nerf and thought the Suros was the best thing ever. Unfortunately now it just can't hold up going against TLW or Thorn.

Literally nothing can hold up to their TTKs unless you're talking about special or heavy weapons.

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I swore by auto rifles per-nerf and thought the Suros was the best thing ever. Unfortunately now it just can't hold up going against TLW or Thorn.

Literally nothing can hold up to their TTKs unless you're talking about special or heavy weapons.

I've played with and against TLW, Thorn, and Red Death during this Iron Banner. My experience with Red Death and Thorn on both sides of each gun has been that Red Death is slightly better, especially at mid range. TLW only wins out in very close ranges. I've noticed that Ref Death has saved me and my enemies from Thorn's poison. It's also easier to land headshots than with either hand cannon.

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I swore by auto rifles per-nerf and thought the Suros was the best thing ever. Unfortunately now it just can't hold up going against TLW or Thorn.

Literally nothing can hold up to their TTKs unless you're talking about special or heavy weapons.

I've played with and against TLW, Thorn, and Red Death during this Iron Banner. My experience with Red Death and Thorn on both sides of each gun has been that Red Death is slightly better, especially at mid range. TLW only wins out in very close ranges. I've noticed that Ref Death has saved me and my enemies from Thorn's poison. It's also easier to land headshots than with either hand cannon.

Weird; I feel like I land far more headshots with Thorn than Red Death. Don't know what's up with red death's reticule but I can never seem to land headshots with it. Is it less sticky? Like, less aim assist?

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Weird; I feel like I land far more headshots with Thorn than Red Death. Don't know what's up with red death's reticule but I can never seem to land headshots with it. Is it less sticky? Like, less aim assist?

I was wondering the same thing. I definitely have a more difficult time landing headshots with Red Death, but it does keep me alive longer... which, ironically, makes it a lot easier to earn the headshot-spree medal, even though I find it more difficult to land the actual headshots.

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Weird; I feel like I land far more headshots with Thorn than Red Death. Don't know what's up with red death's reticule but I can never seem to land headshots with it. Is it less sticky? Like, less aim assist?

I was wondering the same thing. I definitely have a more difficult time landing headshots with Red Death, but it does keep me alive longer... which, ironically, makes it a lot easier to earn the headshot-spree medal, even though I find it more difficult to land the actual headshots.

Which is weird because I have no problem landing headshots with Red Death but can't land that many with Thorn. I swapped to Red Death when I was having trouble getting the headshot bounty and quickly finished it after that. Red Death is a headshot machine for me, and when I'm landing them people die really quick.

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Weird; I feel like I land far more headshots with Thorn than Red Death. Don't know what's up with red death's reticule but I can never seem to land headshots with it. Is it less sticky? Like, less aim assist?

I was wondering the same thing. I definitely have a more difficult time landing headshots with Red Death, but it does keep me alive longer... which, ironically, makes it a lot easier to earn the headshot-spree medal, even though I find it more difficult to land the actual headshots.

Which is weird because I have no problem landing headshots with Red Death but can't land that many with Thorn. I swapped to Red Death when I was having trouble getting the headshot bounty and quickly finished it after that. Red Death is a headshot machine for me, and when I'm landing them people die really quick.

Hm. I generally have trouble just putting shots on target with Red Death. I've lost a few firefights with it where I'll fire four or five bursts an inch or two over the right shoulder of my target. Whereas with Thorn, I frequently two-headshot people.

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Weird; I feel like I land far more headshots with Thorn than Red Death. Don't know what's up with red death's reticule but I can never seem to land headshots with it. Is it less sticky? Like, less aim assist?

I was wondering the same thing. I definitely have a more difficult time landing headshots with Red Death, but it does keep me alive longer... which, ironically, makes it a lot easier to earn the headshot-spree medal, even though I find it more difficult to land the actual headshots.

Which is weird because I have no problem landing headshots with Red Death but can't land that many with Thorn. I swapped to Red Death when I was having trouble getting the headshot bounty and quickly finished it after that. Red Death is a headshot machine for me, and when I'm landing them people die really quick.

Yeah, Red Death does feel a little more polarized than Thorn. If you can land headshots, it's SUPER powerful. But body shots feel a little week. Thorn will usually kill very quickly either way.

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These can be an issue because the poison will usually kill people unless you hit the third shot in the head.

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These can be an issue because the poison will usually kill people unless you hit the third shot in the head.

Do not care :) Banana plays crucible for the lulz.

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These can be an issue because the poison will usually kill people unless you hit the third shot in the head.

Do not care :) Banana plays crucible for the lulz.

I just like to watch the ~~world~~ enemies burn

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I swore by auto rifles per-nerf and thought the Suros was the best thing ever. Unfortunately now it just can't hold up going against TLW or Thorn.

Literally nothing can hold up to their TTKs unless you're talking about special or heavy weapons.

I've played with and against TLW, Thorn, and Red Death during this Iron Banner. My experience with Red Death and Thorn on both sides of each gun has been that Red Death is slightly better, especially at mid range. TLW only wins out in very close ranges. I've noticed that Ref Death has saved me and my enemies from Thorn's poison. It's also easier to land headshots than with either hand cannon.

You're absolutely right (in fact that's my preferred primary in Crucible at the moment) but the TTK for both Thorn and TLW is still technically shorter. I don't think that means they are overpowered (in fact most people miss one of the headshots with Thorn anyway which usually results in my winning the fight) but if you get someone skilled, Thorn is hard to beat.

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So it's not that you can't go in to the crucible and do just fine with Hard Light, Suros, or a handful of other Auto Rifles... but I would argue that most people would do even better with a different weapon type, once they learn how to use it. Which is a shame, since I love auto rifles. And damn, Hard Light is a blast to use :)

Hard light would instantly improve if the bullets could ricochet off of walls. You could shoot around corners!

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EDIT: all of these are so good, you should buy the armor even if you don't have a character of that class just in case you make one. No joke.

I no longer feel excited when Xur shows up, since the one thing I want he can't sell… :-(

Head will roll if I don't get a Hawkmoon before Trials.

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You have two weeks to get a Hawkmoon, Cody. You feeling lucky?

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EDIT: all of these are so good, you should buy the armor even if you don't have a character of that class just in case you make one. No joke.

I no longer feel excited when Xur shows up, since the one thing I want he can't sell… :-(

Head[s] will roll if I don't get a Hawkmoon before Trials.

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I mean... it worked for Chamberlain.

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Xur: HotPF, Don't Touch Me, Ruin Wings, Hard Light, glove. (Destiny)

So, HotPF...

So, HotPF...

Sorry...

How'd you do that?

How'd you do that?

Sorry...

Sorry...

Sorry...

So, HotPF... Is amazing...

So, HotPF... Is amazing...

So, HotPF... Is amazing...

So, HotPF...

So, HotPF...

Right. Whole team grenade monsters. Helpful on Ir yut

So, HotPF...

So, HotPF...

So, HotPF...

If you have coins to burn, buy hard light just for patrol.

If you have coins to burn, buy hard light just for patrol.

Made my night.

Yeah, that was great

It's more fun to hear him swear that they already are :)

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed

Oh yeah. I got a good laugh out of that. :)

Not Agreed

Agreed

This is true. HL is good for specific situations.

This is true. HL is good for specific situations.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

#nerfexoticprimaryhandcannons

#illnerfyourkneecaps

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

Thorn Headshot Kills

Oh, for the bounty?

Oh, for the bounty?

I would never step on personal preference.

I would never step on personal preference.

Xur: HotPF, Don't Touch Me, Ruin Wings, Hard Light, glove.

Heads? Pff! Eyes maybe...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-

Punk?

Dramatization.

You could always try...appeasement...

Yeah, Wilt scored TONS of baskets