In PvP, you need every mote of advantage that you can get because the margins are so small. Party Crasher +1 kills from like 4 pixels farther away than Invective, but that means you're going to lose that 1v1 almost every time. So extra aim assist, a chance for an extra round, faster reloads... That's *critical* stuff to give you just enough edge to turn a fight in your favor. This week's sniper roll is awesome for PvP. For PvE, as you say: Who cares? Use whatever you want because the margins are huge there.

I've been holding onto an Eirene waiting for a neat roll. I'll pick this one up :)

How exactly does this work? You place an order for an Eirene & then don't pick it up if you don't like the roll on it? I thought the roll you got was one of three random rolls each week, is this not the case?

-- DogCow (still somewhat confused about arms day, keep getting it confused with legday)

Yeah, the order is basically a "ticket" that allows you to view/purchase any given week's rolls. If you don't like them, just hold on to your ticket until next week. Repeat as desired.

Good to know. Thanks!

I've been holding onto an Eirene waiting for a neat roll. I'll pick this one up :)

How exactly does this work? You place an order for an Eirene & then don't pick it up if you don't like the roll on it? I thought the roll you got was one of three random rolls each week, is this not the case?

-- DogCow (still somewhat confused about arms day, keep getting it confused with legday)

Yeah, the order is basically a "ticket" that allows you to view/purchase any given week's rolls. If you don't like them, just hold on to your ticket until next week. Repeat as desired.

I've been holding onto an Eirene waiting for a neat roll. I'll pick this one up :)

How exactly does this work? You place an order for an Eirene & then don't pick it up if you don't like the roll on it? I thought the roll you got was one of three random rolls each week, is this not the case?

-- DogCow (still somewhat confused about arms day, keep getting it confused with legday)

Has anyone here tried Atheon's Epilogue since 2.0 launched? The Nechrocasm is pretty great now... I wonder how AE holds up.

Used it in a few Atheon runs last week. Beat only by VoC for Oracles in final section.

I used to use it for Oracles on the Atheon fight… until I got Corrective Measure. Super Good Advice is even better, since it gets ammo back on hits since oracles count as misses. I'm guessing you mean primary weapons though.

Huh - I forgot about CM. (I don't have a Y1 SGA any more, so that wasn't really an option.)

It's probably not AS good since the field scout nerf… but it will blow away VoC in terms of Oracle killing.

I used Arminius-D for the same purpose the last few weeks with good success. Didn't bring Atheon's Epilogue along for comparison but I 'think' the Arminius-D bested it. I suppose that would make the Arminius-D the better weapon since it doesn't have the void burn or the Oracle perk. Anecdotal evidence only. Just my impression.

Has anyone here tried Atheon's Epilogue since 2.0 launched? The Nechrocasm is pretty great now... I wonder how AE holds up.

Used it in a few Atheon runs last week. Beat only by VoC for Oracles in final section.

I used to use it for Oracles on the Atheon fight… until I got Corrective Measure. Super Good Advice is even better, since it gets ammo back on hits since oracles count as misses. I'm guessing you mean primary weapons though.

Huh - I forgot about CM. (I don't have a Y1 SGA any more, so that wasn't really an option.)

Has anyone here tried Atheon's Epilogue since 2.0 launched? The Nechrocasm is pretty great now... I wonder how AE holds up.

Used it in a few Atheon runs last week. Beat only by VoC for Oracles in final section.

I used to use it for Oracles on the Atheon fight… until I got Corrective Measure. Super Good Advice is even better, since it gets ammo back on hits since oracles count as misses. I'm guessing you mean primary weapons though.

Has anyone here tried Atheon's Epilogue since 2.0 launched? The Nechrocasm is pretty great now... I wonder how AE holds up.

Used it in a few Atheon runs last week. Beat only by VoC for Oracles in final section.

(Would much rather use a pulse or scout for all other tasks. :) )

Increased range? Nearly useless, it's a sniper.

Nope, Range affects accuracy, because it's tied to stuff like magnetism. More range is more better, especially with a low-zoom scope (which this has). Easier headshots lead to more kills (and more Outlaw).

I'm aware. Nearly useless.

Outlaw? Don't need it, if I'm using this I'm far enough away to reload between kills.

And if you need to snipe multiple folks (or rez-snipe, which the Eirene can do) and you used your last round?
On top of that, Eirene is the best Legendary PvE sniper, and faster reload is invaluable when you've got lots of enemies that you need to drop quickly (Such as the Ogres during the Oryx Fight, and the Knights).

It's all right for PvP, yes. The final Oryx fight I also don't think it's needed. I use this gun during that fight when I have touch of malice on. If you have touch of malice though, the sniper doesn't even come out for the ogres. The knights are double shot, and you don't have to kill more than one. It's a wasted perk. That said, I tend to just use black spindle and just kill them in one.

Clown cartridge? That's all right, but triple tap is much better since it's a reliable free round every time.

It's more reliable, yes, assuming you're a perfect shot and you're landing crits on multiple enemies (PvE bosses are your best bet).

Right.

PvP stuff.

Yes, I agree. Clown cartridge's extra round is nice, but, again, unreliable.

So, I'd put it at 6/10. It has some perks for PvP that are good, but not great, and it has no real benefit in the normal game.

Increased range? Nearly useless, it's a sniper.

The range stat is directly connected to aim assist on sniper rifles. A rifle with better range will also have a slightly "stickier" reticle from further away than one with lower range. Makes quick headshots significantly easier.

Outlaw? Don't need it, if I'm using this I'm far enough away to reload between kills.

Quick reloads often make the difference between life and death in PvP. This is one of the best perks available for run-and-gun snipers.

Clown cartridge? That's all right, but triple tap is much better since it's a reliable free round every time.

Again, this is a PvE vs PvP thing. Triple-tap on a sniper is almost useless in the crucible. Although personally I'm not crazy about it in PvE either. I'm a bit of a hyperactive spaz when I play PvE. I obviously try to get headshots, but I focus more killing as many things as I can, as quickly as possible. Sometimes that means 2 quick shots to the body instead of taking my time to line up a headshot. Basically, I'm just not a good enough sniper to really take advantage of triple tap, so getting an extra round every few reloads works out better.

Increased range? Nearly useless, it's a sniper.

Nope, Range affects accuracy, because it's tied to stuff like magnetism. More range is more better, especially with a low-zoom scope (which this has). Easier headshots lead to more kills (and more Outlaw).

Outlaw? Don't need it, if I'm using this I'm far enough away to reload between kills.

And if you need to snipe multiple folks (or rez-snipe, which the Eirene can do) and you used your last round?
On top of that, Eirene is the best Legendary PvE sniper, and faster reload is invaluable when you've got lots of enemies that you need to drop quickly (Such as the Ogres during the Oryx Fight, and the Knights).

Clown cartridge? That's all right, but triple tap is much better since it's a reliable free round every time.

It's more reliable, yes, assuming you're a perfect shot and you're landing crits on multiple enemies (PvE bosses are your best bet), but in PvP, an extra round can make a world of difference, especially since Triple Tap is pretty useless in PvP (how often are you landing three or more headshots in a sort timeframe?).

Outlaw? Don't need it, if I'm using this I'm far enough away to reload between kills.

Clown cartridge? That's all right, but triple tap is much better since it's a reliable free round every time.