I would have preferred a Serial approach to story telling. Back to the Y1 OP drama. I think it would have been nice if each of the raids, and all of the strikes would have been part of the approach to Atheon, who would have been the Y1 climax point. Imagine if the vex story we were presented with was enlarged to incompass 12 months. The first raid is the the Nexus. The second raid would have been the Gatelords Eye. The last would be Atheon. That would have made the gravitas of killing atheon more equal to the work we had to do to get there.

Similar approach could have been taken with Oryx Year two. First raid is Omnigul, Second Raid is Crota, Final Raid is Oryx. Then it would feel like we really had to work to kill a god.

As it is I dont expect any "core story" addidtions until D2 which is a shame.

That same astronaut does mention that his mind was renewed as if he'd become much smarter. Perhaps the Traveler did whisper to humanity and the ones who now knew things helped usher in the Golden Age?

Maybe said subtle nudges can indeed be given as warnings to a bigger threat, but it was misinterpreted as threats themselves some civilizations ago, so the Traveler stopped doing that.

"Silence ISIS" seems to indicate it was broadcasting something. Also in the Dreams of Alpha Lupi the Traveler whispers instructions to subtly nudge the advancement of civilization.

But I mean if I saw Cthulu emerge from the ocean and start eating people the bare minimum I would do when pulling up to a military base would be to recommend not waisting time with side arms...

I don't see Silence? Just Secure?

But I mean if I saw Cthulu emerge from the ocean and start eating people the bare minimum I would do when pulling up to a military base would be to recommend not waisting time with side arms...

I agree there is lots of supposition. It's hard to establish a good chronology that makes everything square up.

We know the Traveler is active prior to visiting humanity, there are plenty of "Light" based races and forces mentioned in the Books of Sorrow. The gifts of the Traveller, like the Gift Mast, are seen several times. From the books of sorrow and comments surrounding the age of the Dreadnought, we can surmise the Hive have been active for millions of years.

That means that the Traveller left Fundament before heading to Earth. The Leviathan states that the Deep lived in Fundament, a prison in a addition to a refuge. The Worms and the Deep inhabited the depths of that gas giant, and the Traveler knew it, and moved the moons to ensure that the life the Deep had summoned to it's surface would be eliminated on a routine basis.

This is the only offensive act recorded about the traveler. You never hear it working against anyone preemptively before.

I don't know how to square the fact that the Traveler flees to humanity, which it already knows, after it flees the Deep and the proto-hive. It must have known the Hive were agents of the Deep, it equipped the Ammonites with space magic. How could it allow the deep to chase it all those millions of years, and still have time to raise up new species? Why would it raise new species knowing that it was being followed by essentially a nihilistic death cult?

There are no records in the books of sorrow of the Traveler warning a species (unlike Ultimate Vision warning of the arrival of Ultimate Gal ak Tus in the Marval Comic) of the coming or the threat of the deep. There is some indication that the various "light" galactic civilizations had some contact with one another, and noted the loss of the Fundament system. But if the Traveler retreated to any of the prior civilizations she did not warn them, bolster their defenses or anything. The Ammonite are the only other group aside from Humanity that are given space magic.

Why? What was the traveller doing? This is what I can't square in my head cannon. We know the traveler arrives in our system and uplifts humanity, but never expresses a direct warning. Rasputin has to tease it out, infer the Darkness's existence from the Traveler's own.

Rasputin invest heavily into an arsenal, yet there isn't an indication that humanity fought itself in the golden age. It would seem far from it, in fact.

Why? I guess we will find out in Destiny 2, perhaps, or things could get as convoluted as Marathon Infinity.

Maybe the contingency plan actually took humanity's downfall into consideration, which is my favorite theory, since it implicates huge "personality" complexities for Rasputin.

It's wrong because if Rasputin attacked the traveler, he's the aggressor, which means he'd lose the battle.

Why making him an aggressor necessarily means he'll lose the battle? What battle are you talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae

Unless that's not the reference, then the parallels don't make any sense.

Come on, Cody. At least acknowledge that the reference might just be to a defense plan designed to defeat a superior enemy.

I acknowledge that fully. But since we were defeated, that must mean such plan a was never executed. Which is the whole point of the sub discussion. Did Rasputin attack the traveler? I say no.

It's wrong because if Rasputin attacked the traveler, he's the aggressor, which means he'd lose the battle.

Why making him an aggressor necessarily means he'll lose the battle? What battle are you talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae

Unless that's not the reference, then the parallels don't make any sense.

Come on, Cody. At least acknowledge that the reference might just be to a defense plan designed to defeat a superior enemy. It doesn't have to be an exact historical renenactment... In space... Against aliens... Fought with starships and antimatter weapons. Sheesh, it might as well be that, according to you, none of this makes sense because neither the Darkness nor Humanity was using bows or horses or were from Rome...

You are insanely un-fun to talk lore with. I'd get more give and take from a close minded brick wall! :(

Not to mention there are two Carrhae conditions (WHITE or BLACK), while the actual battle only had one aftermath (obviously).

I see your Alpha Lupi cards and will raise you Ghost Fragment: The Traveler 3:

The knife had a million blades.

And you were giant, powerful and swift. But the knife pinned you. Cut your godly flesh away.

Could the one that did the pinning and cutting have been Rasputin? But, I do see your point. The various Alpha Lupi cards are not something I considered along side the Rasputin theory. I'll need to take another look at them tonight. :)

I don't think the Traveler thought the Darkness was contained, however. From the time she tired to destroy it at the Firmament she knew she failed and fled as the Hive and their worm gods were attacking the surrounding civilization. I seem to recall a card from Oryx's or the Hive's point of view mentioning the Traveler fleeing as well. Something else to see if I can track down.

Let me do another read through of the Books of Sorrow, but my impression was more that the Traveler had tried over and over to stop the Darkness by uplifting civilizations and each time it failed it fled just as the Darkness / Hive arrived. Some of the Hive's conquests were against entire empires instead of a lone star system so it seems unlikely that the Traveler didn't know about any of it if it only fled as the Hive got close.

I do like the alternative point of view you provided though. Again, linking it to the Alpha Lupi cards was a neat idea.

It's wrong because if Rasputin attacked the traveler, he's the aggressor, which means he'd lose the battle.

Why making him an aggressor necessarily means he'll lose the battle? What battle are you talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae

Unless that's not the reference, then the parallels don't make any sense.

Furthermore, some historians claim this is a new red spot from the 1800s, and prior to this, there was a different spot visible for over a hundred years prior, and people just associated the two with each other.

Large storms continue to be created. For example, in 1997, a little red spot showed up and continues to grow larger.

It's unreasonable to assume that the GRS must diminish in our lifetimes or that it or a new red spot wouldn't be there in a thousand years.