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marathon (reply)

Durandal — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:20:48 +0000

But where are my double shotguns and flamethrower?

Me either. (reply)

Raflection — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:19 +0000

I was with beardfade (thanks for joining bro) last night in trials using my her memory. It has truesight IS, outlaw, rifles barrel and life support.

It was feeling so nice in trials, handles wonderfully matched with my patience and time.

Only thing I found is that I was often having to fire a 4th HC shot to get the kill whereas usually it would be 3 shots.

I'm still not convinced that the impact of P&T should be what it is, it doesn't seem like I can body shot snipe and clean up with the her memory. Perhaps that's was just my lack of playing with the HC and P&T in year 2 or that they where just out of HC optimal range to clean up, I'd have to play more with them to see.

We did have some really fun games and I was able to play pretty aggressively with her memory and my sunsinger getting a few quick team wipes.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

Kahzgul — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:07:07 +0000

Switch! Bumper jumper has improved my game dramatically.

Slayer was the Rocket Launcher (reply)

ZackDark — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 05:24:49 +0000

The Mauler was a pistol, I think (maybe it had a charge-up shot?) and Reaper was the "chaingun" that had melee damage through the roof if you touched someone with it.

That game was amazing. First co-op FPS I've ever played and I still hold it fondly in my heart.

Slayer! Mauler! Reaper! (reply)

Revenant1988 — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:37:12 +0000

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Perfect Dark's fly-by-wire alien rocket was pretty cool too (reply)

ZackDark — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:13:17 +0000

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That's a pretty amazing HC... (reply)

slycrel — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 01:48:37 +0000

Here is the Finnala's Peril I've been using, which is similiar. I'm sure rangefinder helps a ton with yours at longer range.

Canister grenades would be amazing for mid-range encounters. (reply)

slycrel — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 01:44:24 +0000

Also, I'd still love a laser-tracked rocket launcher similar to what was in the original half-life. =)

Let us exchange secondary for dual primaries? (reply)

dogcow — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:24:37 +0000

Maybe? I think they'd need to be limited to using secondary ammo tho'.

Edit: I just want something that fills a similar role as side-arms do, complement a longer-range primary, only at medium-long ranges to complement shorter-range primaries; no sniper rifles please.

I didn't notice (reply)

BeardFade — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:09:05 +0000

I have an Imago Loop I love that I was doing just fine with last night. If you're used to using Hand Cannons at a long range, than I think you're screwed, but HC's aren't really meant to be accurate at long range (IRL and in the game).

Might be time to try something else if you like engaging targets at a distance.

Here's that Imago Loop I love:

Let us exchange secondary for dual primaries? (reply)

unoudid — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:06:40 +0000

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+1 (reply)

dogcow — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:04:47 +0000

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HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

dogcow — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:03:30 +0000

The reason I mention wanting a mid-long range secondary is because I love using shorter range primaries such as Hand Cannons and Auto Rifles. I'd love something similar to a scout rifle as a secondary.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

Cody Miller — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:12:28 +0000

Why don't we have the MA75B from marathon yet!?
Imagine having a machine gun that was somewhat unwieldy while firing using heavy ammo, but could fire grenades which would eat into your secondary ammo. It also would not work in a vacuum.

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ZackDark — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:29:41 +0000

Given Destiny's instability with explosions, though, I think it would be scrapped.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

Harmanimus — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:25:05 +0000

Discussions like these remind me how much I do wish that the Reach Grenade Launcher had found its way into Destiny. As a secondary with the current ammo economy it wouldn't be super hard to balance. Give it a minimum arm distance, have manual/bounce/impact detonation, and have the impact damage be what allows it to one-shot like you can with non-sidearm secondaries. It would be a flexible medium range weapon if done correctly.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

CruelLEGACEY — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:16:41 +0000

I've found that on the doctrine if you're not hitting their head at least 1/3 or so of the time the TTK is often too low. But maybe I need to switch to bumper jumper and get better at aiming. ;)

Good advice, thanks!

Yeah, crits do make a big difference with DoP, but I find that to be true with most of the primaries that I typically use. I have the same issue with Mida. Crits make it deadly, but body shots feel like they take forever to down a target (I don't actually know how many body shots it takes to kill a full-health opponent... 7? 8?). That being said, Mida has such a fast rate of fire that I've had surprising success with it at mid/close range while hip-firing. If I get caught in a close range situation and I don't have time to switch to my fusion rifle and charge a shot, I'll spam body shots into my target while dancing around them. I can often hit them with 2 or 3 shots real fast, then finish them off with a melee. Seems to catch people off guard.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

slycrel — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:57:07 +0000

I've found that on the doctrine if you're not hitting their head at least 1/3 or so of the time the TTK is often too low. But maybe I need to switch to bumper jumper and get better at aiming. ;)

Good advice, thanks!

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

slycrel — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:55:29 +0000

I will often use "The Vacancy", which is very effective longer short range and close mid range, medium mid range if you're lucky. The charge time is just 0.2 seconds too slow at short range. I have died a number of times when I get off half the clip or just before it fires due to the charge rate. If I were a half a second faster I think it would be Godly. Queensbreaker bow can be really good as well, but it seems to be hit or miss. It has some of the same problems as regular fusion rifles, but at longer range. i.e. hitting people and watching them stagger but not actually doing damage to them. But you're right, other than snipers there isn't much.

On the FR note, I did give Plan C a try last night for one match with some good results at close range. It won't cover medium range, but the hot swap accelerated charge time is a big deal if used correctly. A pulse (if I can find the right one) + Plan C combo is something I'd like to try out.

I do use mida and Doctrine of Passing at times and am mediocre with those guns. But they do seem effective, so I may have to increase usage with them, especially mida for mid to long range. Doctrine is wierd in that it works okay short range, but really feels to me like a mid-range weapon.

HC's are borderline unusable in PvP with the range nerf... (reply)

dogcow — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:33:21 +0000

I wish they had a medium+ range secondary that wasn't a sniper rifle. They've got all kinds of secondaries that complement longer range primaries, but only one long-range secondary to complement short range primaries.