On the normal rally side, the F2 kit cars are also FWD but I think they're super fun.

I'll keep that in mind, because I was honestly just planning on skipping those completely.

As it happens, both of the weekly events right now are for that class. Good time to get one and put some miles on it.

And, PS: I'm sure you've seen it, but, just in case (and in case anyone else here is interested in rally), here's a neat little documentary about Group B called Too Fast to Race.

I have, but it's worth a watch.

The followup, Still Too Fast to Race used to be on YouTube as well, but I can't find it anymore, just clips from it. ):

Look what I just found. I can't remember whether I've watched that one, bookmarking for later.

This one's good, too.

Edit: Ari Vatanen is my hero. I could listen to him talk about driving all day.

I played for a few hours last night. Started a new Clubman championship with the Group B Quattro. I absolutely love this car. It's crazy fast, but it's actually really well balanced and surprisingly easy to drive.

Something I came to realize through this game, which I'd sort of heard hinted at by the former drivers in interviews but hadn't really crystalized for me, is that those cars weren't necessarily hard to drive in the way that people think. It's not that they were too powerful and got away from the drivers. They're actually pretty smooth and controllable, it's just that there's very little time to think because they're moving so fast. Maybe too little for humans. Dirt Rally just made me realize how thin the line is between a good run and not quite reacting fast enough.

Yeah, that makes sense. I always got the impression that the Quattro wasn't necessarily hard to drive, it was just stupid fast.

I'm also looking forward to getting the Group A Subaru

It's been my favorite of the Group A cars. I'm a Subaru person anyway, but I really do think that one drives the best.

I just got it tonight. Holy crap. It's . . . perfect. What an incredible car to drive.

I just can't get into it (or get good at it, I guess). I hate the FWD cars--they're just no fun to drive.

On the normal rally side, the F2 kit cars are also FWD but I think they're super fun.

I'll keep that in mind, because I was honestly just planning on skipping those completely.

And, PS: I'm sure you've seen it, but, just in case (and in case anyone else here is interested in rally), here's a neat little documentary about Group B called Too Fast to Race. The followup, Still Too Fast to Race used to be on YouTube as well, but I can't find it anymore, just clips from it. ):

I played for a few hours last night. Started a new Clubman championship with the Group B Quattro. I absolutely love this car. It's crazy fast, but it's actually really well balanced and surprisingly easy to drive.

Something I came to realize through this game, which I'd sort of heard hinted at by the former drivers in interviews but hadn't really crystalized for me, is that those cars weren't necessarily hard to drive in the way that people think. It's not that they were too powerful and got away from the drivers. They're actually pretty smooth and controllable, it's just that there's very little time to think because they're moving so fast. Maybe too little for humans. Dirt Rally just made me realize how thin the line is between a good run and not quite reacting fast enough.

I'm also looking forward to getting the Group A Subaru

It's been my favorite of the Group A cars. I'm a Subaru person anyway, but I really do think that one drives the best.

The dirt version is way more fun that fully paved variant though.

Yeah, you can tell those cars were not made with pavement in mind. They don't like paved hairpins.

I just can't get into it (or get good at it, I guess). I hate the FWD cars--they're just no fun to drive.

I thought the Minis were OK, but that next class up is just lame. Too much power for FWD and it's nothing but understeer all the time. If I could just skip them and go to the AWD "supercar" class I'm sure I'd do better there.

On the normal rally side, the F2 kit cars are also FWD but I think they're super fun.

You make it sound like you think there is "a" setting that is perfect for all systems; that there must be something wrong with my setup (you used the words "too bright" in a few places, and this suggestion that my inputs might be wrong). You seem to be ignoring the fact that all calibration needs to be done with respect to the environment that the screen is being used in.
My settings are CLEARLY darker than yours - but that doesn't make them 'wrong', or set to an incorrect color space - it means my environment is different than yours.

I'm not making anything 'sound like' anything nor am I ignoring anything regarding TV calibrations. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say there is a 'perfect setting' people should use, or ones other people (or you use) are 'wrong'. As I stated in this earlier post:

What may account for the discrepancy between the recordings is if Claude's HDTV/Monitor is too bright and he's compensated for it by turning down Destiny's own brightness settings.

It may look completely normal to him during gameplay, but the Xbox is recording the darker Destiny footage.

I simply noticed a discrepancy in the two recordings brightness and thought of a potential explanation.

Yeah, and that's the spirit in which I responded to the first three posts. After 3, though, it starts to feel like you're saying "you're doing it wrong." If you're NOT saying that, using phrases like 'too bright' is ill-advised; that's a value judgement. If I'm compensating for something that's too bright, I could AVOID compensating by making it less bright.

But it's not too bright. It's exactly the right sort of bright for the space I'm in. It looks dark when viewed on systems that are calibrated for lower overall levels, sure. But that's a totally different thing.

It's fine. It wasn't until you said "there might be something on his that is set to RGB when it's looking for YUV" that I finally said "he's not suggesting we're in different environments, he's suggesting my environment is wrong." So I clarified.

You make it sound like you think there is "a" setting that is perfect for all systems; that there must be something wrong with my setup (you used the words "too bright" in a few places, and this suggestion that my inputs might be wrong). You seem to be ignoring the fact that all calibration needs to be done with respect to the environment that the screen is being used in.
My settings are CLEARLY darker than yours - but that doesn't make them 'wrong', or set to an incorrect color space - it means my environment is different than yours.

I'm not making anything 'sound like' anything nor am I ignoring anything regarding TV calibrations. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say there is a 'perfect setting' people should use, or ones other people (or you use) are 'wrong'. As I stated in this earlier post:

What may account for the discrepancy between the recordings is if Claude's HDTV/Monitor is too bright and he's compensated for it by turning down Destiny's own brightness settings.

It may look completely normal to him during gameplay, but the Xbox is recording the darker Destiny footage.

I simply noticed a discrepancy in the two recordings brightness and thought of a potential explanation.

I've still never had a stage that clean. It almost makes me glad we're on opposite systems--I can't see how thoroughly you'd destroy my awful times.

Heh, thanks. TBH some of the late model AWD cars make it a bit easier (driving the 2000's and 2010's sets are like being in a cartoon). Their suspension soaks up bumps a lot better, and they're easier to throw around hairpins. That particular car is sort of good and sort of not - it has those two advantages, but it's an R4 class which is extremely heavy. Sometimes it doesn't want to stop or turn as soon as I'd planned. That's why I recorded that run, it's rare that I get through cleanly in an R4.

I played for a few hours last night. Started a new Clubman championship with the Group B Quattro. I absolutely love this car. It's crazy fast, but it's actually really well balanced and surprisingly easy to drive. I'm also looking forward to getting the Group A Subaru, and into the R4 cars, but it'll be a while before I can afford any of those. Luckily this game does seem to pay out at a pretty good rate.

I need to play this more.

Hell yes.

I love this game, but I've also recently fallen in love with the new Hitman and have been playing that quite a bit. I'm also still obsessed with The Witcher 3 and keep going back to it for a few hours every couple of days. I'll be making sure to play more Dirt Rally, though. I'd forgotten how good it is.

I'm still in the Clubman series driving a Mk. II Escort. I've been obsessed with the Quattro on Pikes Peak, though, and I've barely touched Rally Cross at all.

You might beat me there, then. I haven't spent much time on Pike's Peak and I still don't know the course. It's hard with no co-driver calls. I'm starting to recognize some of the corners, but only when I get right up to them, and I still don't know what order they're in.

Pikes Peak is great. Not having the call outs is rough at first, but the run isn't actually all that long, so it doesn't take much to learn the corners. The dirt version is way more fun that fully paved variant though. I wish there were more hill climb tracks, though, rather than just Pikes Peak at various stages of being paved.

Rally Cross makes me angry. It's well implemented and the driving is fun, but trying to actually progress sucks. The cars all tend to knock each other around at the beginning, and sometimes you can find yourself too far behind to catch up and finish in a good position.

I just can't get into it (or get good at it, I guess). I hate the FWD cars--they're just no fun to drive. Maybe if I save up a bunch of money and buy one of the AWD cars I'll enjoy it more, but I'm putting that one the back burner for now and am just going to focus on rally.

I ended up tweaking my steering settings a little more. The stuff I was using worked OK for everything except the Lancia Stratos and 037 - those two were twitchy as hell. Think I have it dialed in now.

I still need to tweak mine some more. I've been using that set up you posted the week the game released, and it feels pretty good. I haven't tried the Stratos yet, but the 037 is basically impossible to drive. I'll have to fiddle with the steering settings some more at some point.

But my systems are calibrated correctly for HD REC 709, gamma, color saturation, refresh rate and latency.

What a n00b. I have mine calibrated to film LOG so I can get maximum detail and dynamic range. Who cares if there's virtually no contrast? :-p

True.

But that is easier at the time than say, "Hey, lest wait 'til (insert player's name here) recalibrate's their TV correctly.
Especially right before a raid. ;) In those situations, I just want the player to see the target. :P

But my systems are calibrated correctly for HD REC 709, gamma, color saturation, refresh rate and latency.
Only other thing I can think of, is there might be something on his that is set to RGB when it's looking for YUV.

You make it sound like you think there is "a" setting that is perfect for all systems; that there must be something wrong with my setup (you used the words "too bright" in a few places, and this suggestion that my inputs might be wrong). You seem to be ignoring the fact that all calibration needs to be done with respect to the environment that the screen is being used in. When I move my office from one place to another (and I've done that at least 4 times in the past 2 years, because of the remodel we STILL haven't finished), I recalibrate my screens - and there are always changes. Because light in the basement isn't the same as light in the den, or in a front bedroom.

My settings are CLEARLY darker than yours - but that doesn't make them 'wrong', or set to an incorrect color space - it means my environment is different than yours.

I've still never had a stage that clean. It almost makes me glad we're on opposite systems--I can't see how thoroughly you'd destroy my awful times.

Heh, thanks. TBH some of the late model AWD cars make it a bit easier (driving the 2000's and 2010's sets are like being in a cartoon). Their suspension soaks up bumps a lot better, and they're easier to throw around hairpins. That particular car is sort of good and sort of not - it has those two advantages, but it's an R4 class which is extremely heavy. Sometimes it doesn't want to stop or turn as soon as I'd planned. That's why I recorded that run, it's rare that I get through cleanly in an R4.

I need to play this more.

Hell yes.

I'm still in the Clubman series driving a Mk. II Escort. I've been obsessed with the Quattro on Pikes Peak, though, and I've barely touched Rally Cross at all.

You might beat me there, then. I haven't spent much time on Pike's Peak and I still don't know the course. It's hard with no co-driver calls. I'm starting to recognize some of the corners, but only when I get right up to them, and I still don't know what order they're in.

Rally Cross makes me angry. It's well implemented and the driving is fun, but trying to actually progress sucks. The cars all tend to knock each other around at the beginning, and sometimes you can find yourself too far behind to catch up and finish in a good position.

I ended up tweaking my steering settings a little more. The stuff I was using worked OK for everything except the Lancia Stratos and 037 - those two were twitchy as hell. Think I have it dialed in now.

Yes, is obvious that they are different.

I need to play this more. I'm still in the Clubman series driving a Mk. II Escort. I've been obsessed with the Quattro on Pikes Peak, though, and I've barely touched Rally Cross at all.

Have you calibrated it?

Yep. Happy with the result.

But that is easier at the time than say, "Hey, lest wait 'til (insert player's name here) recalibrate's their TV correctly.
Especially right before a raid. ;) In those situations, I just want the player to see the target. :P

But my systems are calibrated correctly for HD REC 709, gamma, color saturation, refresh rate and latency.
Only other thing I can think of, is there might be something on his that is set to RGB when it's looking for YUV.

Can't hardly see anything. Is your TV too bright and you're turned the xbox Destiny Brightness way down to compensate?

Brightness in Destiny is middle of the road (3 out of 5? Whatever's exactly in the middle of the scale).

I'm actually pretty happy that I can go up or down from there, when the need arises. ;)

What may account for the discrepancy between the recordings is if Claude's HDTV/Monitor is too bright and he's compensated for it by turning down Destiny's own brightness settings.

It may look completely normal to him during gameplay, but the Xbox is recording the darker Destiny footage.

Testing Claude's:

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Louis%20Wu/video/20012297

Testing Blackstar's:

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/BLACKSTAR%20BSP/video/20055459

On my screen (which happens to be the same screen I play Destiny on), yours looks totally washed out. I guess it's just a bright screen.

2) That's my usual rally game experience.