I'm in the same boat, dogcow. I know we're not in the same time zone, but maybe we can find some overlap?

That would be nice.

Why the hell are VoG/CE/KF not part of the current endgame alongside WoTM?

Because dude, these are OLD RAIDS. We've played them a million times. Upping the >>numbers isn't going to make them suddenly a cool new experience again.

oh yeah... that's right. Wait, why is it okay with strikes then? ;-P

edit: :)

Why the hell are VoG/CE/KF not part of the current endgame alongside WoTM?

Because dude, these are OLD RAIDS. We've played them a million times. Upping the numbers isn't going to make them suddenly a cool new experience again.

oh yeah... that's right. Wait, why is it okay with strikes then? ;-P

edit: :)

Why the hell are VoG/CE/KF not part of the current endgame alongside WoTM?

Because dude, these are OLD RAIDS. We've played them a million times. Upping the numbers isn't going to make them suddenly a cool new experience again.

Destiny would work perfectly as a co-operative RPG with FPS elements. They should be moving in that direction, but they aren't. Destiny 2 is simply not going to make any fundamental changes because it's going to stick to its MMO genre.

Oh, did they announce Destiny 2 already? I was expecting it this weekend during that PlayStation event or whatever.

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It's clear that every Destiny release up to this point has been hampered by lack of dev time / technical constraints / etc

This isn't really entirely true. It's hampered by lack of management in my opinion.

Bungie has always had a ton of talent, but it has always lacked solid management. The old games were created by pretty much just everybody doing whatever. Oh, this would be cool, let's add that! Oh, that bug needs fixing, I'll fix it. Development was very fluid and undirected. It was simply following the fun and doing awesome shit.

This works fine with small teams and games that aren't as complex, but when you are making a game that's as huge as Destiny it is a problem.

Ask yourself how it is that the year the game is supposed to ostensibly ship, Joe Staten is showing the 'supercut' of the story to much of the team for the first time. How does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing? How is it that Destiny 2 is being rebooted so close to release in a way oddly familiar?

It's weird that Microsoft was the best thing to happen to Bungie. Mostly because they were able to hold their feet to the fire a bit, and lend personnel. I don't think Halo would have come out the way it did if Bungie stayed independent. Here they are independent again, however this time their publisher isn't really fighting for them the way that Microsoft would.

I wonder if going back to independence was the wrong move without really nailing down better project management.

Destiny would work perfectly as a co-operative RPG with FPS elements. They should be moving in that direction, but they aren't. Destiny 2 is simply not going to make any fundamental changes because it's going to stick to its MMO genre.

Oh, did they announce Destiny 2 already? I was expecting it this weekend during that PlayStation event or whatever.

If they show more than a trailer for Sparrow Racing League 2.0, I'll be in shock.

(Not to take away from your point, which I agree with).

One of the quests required a mask that I didn't have, which meant that I would have to buy it.

Wait, what? I don't remember this. (I paid nothing this time around, and I completed all the quests on at least one character.)

I'm pretty sure all the masks that were required to complete the missions could be bought from whatshername for glimmer. Don't quote me on that.

They gave all required quest masks for free at the steps I thought?

That might also be true, but if you dismantled them for some reason, I think you could rebuy them

One of the quests required a mask that I didn't have, which meant that I would have to buy it.

Wait, what? I don't remember this. (I paid nothing this time around, and I completed all the quests on at least one character.)

I'm pretty sure all the masks that were required to complete the missions could be bought from whatshername for glimmer. Don't quote me on that.

They gave all required quest masks for free at the steps I thought?

Destiny would work perfectly as a co-operative RPG with FPS elements. They should be moving in that direction, but they aren't. Destiny 2 is simply not going to make any fundamental changes because it's going to stick to its MMO genre.

Oh, did they announce Destiny 2 already? I was expecting it this weekend during that PlayStation event or whatever.

So instead we have situations like Rise of Iron where you finish the story missions somewhere around level 340, and then there is 1 strike playlist that contains 6 or 7 old strikes that you need to grind for 15-30 hours before you level up high enough to do the raid. If those strikes were really fantastic pieces of content, then maybe it would almost be ok. But they're not. They're ok, but certainly not deep enough or diverse enough to hold up under that level of repetition.

#codywasright

I really think the MMOFPS is a dead end. MMOs rely on huge amounts of shit to do, and creating compelling FPS content takes a long time. If I were in charge, I would recognize this, and create a game as best I could around a set amount of content. This means abandoning the MMO genre.

Destiny would work perfectly as a co-operative RPG with FPS elements. They should be moving in that direction, but they aren't. Destiny 2 is simply not going to make any fundamental changes because it's going to stick to its MMO genre.

One of the quests required a mask that I didn't have, which meant that I would have to buy it.

Wait, what? I don't remember this. (I paid nothing this time around, and I completed all the quests on at least one character.)

I'm pretty sure all the masks that were required to complete the missions could be bought from whatshername for glimmer. Don't quote me on that.

One of the quests required a mask that I didn't have, which meant that I would have to buy it.

Wait, what? I don't remember this. (I paid nothing this time around, and I completed all the quests on at least one character.)