I hear you. Maybe I love him so much I give him the benefit of a doubt, but I thought there was lull in the fighting, and then the action came to him. Probably what tilts things in favor of your interpretation is "Cayde, any day now" at the end, but I saw that as a reaction to his pace at that moment, and his reaction as in line with the Exo-Mal character.

20 minutes until the trailer! Whoopee!

Yeah this was my exact interpretation of it. There's no real proof one way or the other, because, as stated, it's a teaser, so they purposefully don't give a lot of context.

Sure, there is overlap between Deadpool and Cayde-6, but Deadpool bores me in that his schtick seems rooted in juvenile irreverence—Look ma! I gots a potty mouth!

This is what's bugging me. I like Deadpool and I like Cayde-6, but I like them for different reasons because they were two different characters.

Deadpool is completely in it for himself. He'll do whatever he wants whenever he wants if he thinks it's fun or will benefit himself in some way.

Cayde-6 is pretty much Exo-Mal. He's got his own way of doing things. His actions may not be completely on the up-and-up, but in the end, he does what he does to get the job done and take care of his team.

Everything we've seen or read about Cayde-6 before the trailer has fit the Captain Mal personality. Sitting out of a fight for a gag, though? That's a Deadpool move.

-Disciple

I hear you. Maybe I love him so much I give him the benefit of a doubt, but I thought there was lull in the fighting, and then the action came to him. Probably what tilts things in favor of your interpretation is "Cayde, any day now" at the end, but I saw that as a reaction to his pace at that moment, and his reaction as in line with the Exo-Mal character.

20 minutes until the trailer! Whoopee!

Sure, there is overlap between Deadpool and Cayde-6, but Deadpool bores me in that his schtick seems rooted in juvenile irreverence—Look ma! I gots a potty mouth!

This is what's bugging me. I like Deadpool and I like Cayde-6, but I like them for different reasons because they were two different characters.

Deadpool is completely in it for himself. He'll do whatever he wants whenever he wants if he thinks it's fun or will benefit himself in some way.

Cayde-6 is pretty much Exo-Mal. He's got his own way of doing things. His actions may not be completely on the up-and-up, but in the end, he does what he does to get the job done and take care of his team.

Everything we've seen or read about Cayde-6 before the trailer has fit the Captain Mal personality. Sitting out of a fight for a gag, though? That's a Deadpool move.

-Disciple

Hey bud, I truly look forward to the day when we can hang out together in person, but now I’m a little worried that I might use the wrong fork. ;)

Don't worry, I forgo eating utensils all together ;) Miss you too, my friend :)

Your argument is well articulated, and I can relate to the impulse to further explain your point of view given the pile-on here, but I have quibbles. A rule you left out is that a teaser must ENTERTAIN. By that metric, this teaser succeeds like gangbusters IMHO. Also, the need to adhere to your other rules might be dependent on the whether it’s a new brand. Destiny is not a new brand. Yes, having Cayde acting like Cayde in a teaser could be sending terrible/horrible signals regarding the tone of the entire game, or it could just be a duck acting like a duck. I could easily argue that it signals that the game will focus on character this time around (which is great!), but both hypotheses might be wrong. I share your hope that that there is some gravitas to go with the levity (Cayde and Eris need each other), and Bungie has been explicit from the beginning that the challenge they set for themselves was to create a post-apocalyptic world that was fun to be in. This teaser doesn’t signal to me that they’ve given up on that task. Like you, looking forward to the full trailer.

Kerm

All good points. In my head, the need to entertain with a teaser rolled into point number 2 on my list, but I suspect Bungie wanted to lean into that specific aspect as hard as possible. That still doesn't solve my personal quibbles with the teaser (I didn't find it funny or entertaining), but that's just personal tastes and preferences. :)

P.S. More thoughts on Deadpool ‘cause I can’t help myself. Sure, there is overlap between Deadpool and Cayde-6, but Deadpool bores me in that his schtick seems rooted in juvenile irreverence—Look ma! I gots a potty mouth! I see Cayde as a spin on Malcom Reynolds who was a spin on Han Solo who was a spin on wisecracking rascals who know how to handle a gun going WAY BACK. He’s a much more interesting character to me.

I don't think Cayde is that similar to Deadpool, really. A totally agree with all the comparisons you made. The teaser, however, has a striking similarity to the Deadpool movie to me. There's just something about the editing, the framing, the script... it just hit me that way :)

Your argument is well articulated, and I can relate to the impulse to further explain your point of view given the pile-on here, but I have quibbles. A rule you left out is that a teaser must ENTERTAIN. By that metric, this teaser succeeds like gangbusters IMHO. Also, the need to adhere to your other rules might be dependent on the whether it’s a new brand. Destiny is not a new brand. Yes, having Cayde acting like Cayde in a teaser could be sending terrible/horrible signals regarding the tone of the entire game, or it could just be a duck acting like a duck. I could easily argue that it signals that the game will focus on character this time around (which is great!), but both hypotheses might be wrong. I share your hope that that there is some gravitas to go with the levity (Cayde and Eris need each other), and Bungie has been explicit from the beginning that the challenge they set for themselves was to create a post-apocalyptic world that was fun to be in. This teaser doesn’t signal to me that they’ve given up on that task. Like you, looking forward to the full trailer.

Kerm

P.S. More thoughts on Deadpool ‘cause I can’t help myself. Sure, there is overlap between Deadpool and Cayde-6, but Deadpool bores me in that his schtick seems rooted in juvenile irreverence—Look ma! I gots a potty mouth! I see Cayde as a spin on Malcom Reynolds who was a spin on Han Solo who was a spin on wisecracking rascals who know how to handle a gun going WAY BACK. He’s a much more interesting character to me.

Not the point of the argument, or really even any important element of it, but he's been one of the biggest comic book characters since the mid 2000s, when Marvel really started pushing him into a lot of stuff.

It's hard to tell whether Cayde is an asshole or not because none of the other characters really react to him meaningfully. I don't actually know the effect of his actions in that regard.

That's why my favorite character isn't Cayde.

It's Eris.

Except you are also giving people a hard time for their opinions on a thing that IS OUT (the teaser), because other stuff hasn't come out yet. I haven't seen anyone say "Destiny 2 is going to suck, I can tell because I don't like the teaser".

As someone who knew parts of Destiny would suck all the way back in 2010, the fact that I'm not even remotely prepared to say that Destiny 2 sucks should illustrate how inconsequential this teaser really is. Let's wait till tomorrow for the actual reveal.

There was a point maybe 30% through that I was wondering a little if maybe they hadn't focused enough on the characters. But then the loyalty missions started kicking in Mass Effect 2 style (with each major character requesting you help them with an important issue) and those missions ranged from good to terrific to outstanding. And following that, it felt like each character got some more fun moments spread around. Not always full missions, but smaller interactions that were still fun and sometimes meaningful.

By the end, maybe none of the characters had reached the same level of familiarity as what the returning characters in ME:3 felt like, but those guys had three games to get there! I very much want another story with most or all of the Andromeda characters so they cancome back and be familiar and say "Just like old times" or whatever.

I just think Cayde is simply Space Malcolm Reynolds (which is very distinct from regular Malcolm.. somehow) + a little extra ham to be on the safe side. We're talking about the character that said "Now, you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear, by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you."

I haven't seen Deadpool. Don't want to. And don't know the history of the character or his characterization in the past. It just irks me somehow that a Nathan Fillion character, especially western-ish hunter Cayde-6, would be compared to anybody other than Malcolm Reynolds. :p

One could argue that Malcome Reynolds is basically a PG-13 Deadpool ;p

(^ not really, but Deadpool was doing that sort of irreverent humour long before Firefly)

I haven't seen Deadpool. Don't want to. And don't know the history of the character or his characterization in the past. It just irks me somehow that a Nathan Fillion character, especially western-ish hunter Cayde-6, would be compared to anybody other than Malcolm Reynolds. :p

1. The writing / story / gameplay is right in line with past Mass Effects, baring the obvious new combat changes and additions (like the jump jet) which I thought were very much a positive. It's not industry leading but it's also far better than a few of those reviewers who savaged it were saying. It did take a while for me to grow to know the characters but by the end I enjoyed who they all are.
2. I love the return to ME:1-ish exploration and driving around planets and crafting and complexity. In a lot of ways, I think ME:A is what Mass Effect always wanted to be... or at least what I always wanted it to be.
3. With no spoilers, I thought it ended very strong and also did a good job of recognizing that you might continue playing even after finish up the main storyline.

Man, that's really pushing me towards getting it. The combat stuff is whatever. I mean, I'm glad it's okay, but that's the least important part of Mass Effect to me. I like exploring and finding all the stories the game tells. I guess I've only really seen the first hour or so of the game, plus some random bits here and there from Let's Plays, but I just didn't find any of the characters likable or interesting or particularly well written. Like I said, that's hard to judge from just watching a few videos, but most of the reviews seems to focus on how the game doesn't really bring it in that regard.

Partly, it's also just the fact that we're in a post The Witcher 3 world now, and that game is the standard for interesting characters and interesting stories for me now (whereas it probably was Mass Effect 1 and 2 before).

I've got a $30 credit at Gamestop, so picking Mass Effect Andromeda for $30 is pretty tempting . . .

Sorry, I think we're digging in a bit too much... disagreeing a bit too harshly when we don't mean to. So, maybe let me reset things a bit?

- I respect your opinion that you didn't like the tone.
- I liked it more than you did, but I too would have liked to see a bit more of a serious hook at the end to transition from Cayde-6's silliness to the reality of The City being under attack.
- I think you are being very open minded and are anticipating the full trailer like all of us are.
- I think you will make a fair assessment of that trailer once it comes out tomorrow.

- I think our main point of actual disagreement is that this teaser was based on something else (deadpool) as I think it is very much in line with Cayde-6's character as established in the Grimoire and later in his expanded in-game role starting with The Taken King.

And, I apologize for things getting to where they have. Not my intention. And I honestly can't wait to read your opinion of the full trailer. I really hope it does set a more serious tone that we both enjoy.

Just for the sake of clarity (because you point to it as the main disagreement):

I don't think the teaser was "based on Deadpool" as you put it. I suspect the marketing team took note of how popular Deadpool is at the moment and said "hey, we have a guy kinda like that in Destiny, let's really play that up for the D2 teaser". Subtle destinction, but hopefully that makes where I'm coming from more clear :)

Kinda seems that Raga is not allowed to have an opinion pretty often, according to some around here, as well. :/

No, it's just that Raga calls people idiots for voicing their opinion. Or maybe that was just me.

Oh heck no. I said:

And, if you'd waited two days and said the same thing it would have made sense.

Yeah, but what was the title of that post? FWIW, there aren't any hard feelings, really. I can only assume I have the reputation of being negative about Destiny, and you like to come to Destiny's defense. It's not a big deal. I was mostly poking fun anyway--I suppose a smiley face in my reply to Cruel would have been appropriate.

Cool.

I'm playing Mass Effect: Andromeda.

How is it? I'm on the fence about getting it. I don't care about all the wonky animations, but the stuff I've seen of the game just doesn't seem all that good to begin with. I've watched a few sections of some let's plays, and Giant Bomb's quick look and all the writing seems bad and uninteresting, but I realize that just watching some videos doesn't necessarily showcase that stuff well.

I'll do a full write of ME:A later. The short version is:

1. The writing / story / gameplay is right in line with past Mass Effects, baring the obvious new combat changes and additions (like the jump jet) which I thought were very much a positive. It's not industry leading but it's also far better than a few of those reviewers who savaged it were saying. It did take a while for me to grow to know the characters but by the end I enjoyed who they all are.
2. I love the return to ME:1-ish exploration and driving around planets and crafting and complexity. In a lot of ways, I think ME:A is what Mass Effect always wanted to be... or at least what I always wanted it to be.
3. With no spoilers, I thought it ended very strong and also did a good job of recognizing that you might continue playing even after finish up the main storyline.

- I respect your opinion that you didn't like the tone.
- I liked it more than you did, but I too would have liked to see a bit more of a serious hook at the end to transition from Cayde-6's silliness to the reality of The City being under attack.
- I think you are being very open minded and are anticipating the full trailer like all of us are.
- I think you will make a fair assessment of that trailer once it comes out tomorrow.

- I think our main point of actual disagreement is that this teaser was based on something else (deadpool) as I think it is very much in line with Cayde-6's character as established in the Grimoire and later in his expanded in-game role starting with The Taken King.

And, I apologize for things getting to where they have. Not my intention. And I honestly can't wait to read your opinion of the full trailer. I really hope it does set a more serious tone that we both enjoy.