Needing a counterbalance mod to make a weapon usable is not fun.

What guns need a counterbalance mod to be usable?

I'm genuinely curious, if you have any offhand.

Maybe the word "usable" was a little vague. all weapons are usable, but there are a lot of weapons that counterbalance will make them a viable choice. You High RoF autorifles were a good example from D1, they were always decent as bullet hoses, but when you added counterbalance then all of the sudden the weapons became a laser.

I still find counterbalance armor mods make autorifles of all archetype simply better in D2.

Pulse rifles on anything other than the slow heavy-hitting versions, counterbalance was always an advantage to have. it tightened bullet spread and made the recoil completely vertical allowing for easier headshots.

I'd actually be fine if they just got rid of all the variations of a weapon archetype and just had a single customizable version of a weapon per archetype.

I agree, honestly. The Khvostov was a surprisingly nice Exotic, despite its lack of a real Exotic perk. Modularity just sounds fun, to me, and it would probably help make better parity between the archetypes.

Khvostov was a good base example of what I'm thinking. Instead of changing archetypes within the weapon, I'd rather just see the core weapon become modifiable. Let me select my scope and a few passive perks (reload, aim down sights, etc..). Instead of limits the perk options across a few weapons, just dump all the perks into a single weapon, but only allow me to select a few.

Needing a counterbalance mod to make a weapon usable is not fun.

What guns need a counterbalance mod to be usable?

I'm genuinely curious, if you have any offhand.

I'd actually be fine if they just got rid of all the variations of a weapon archetype and just had a single customizable version of a weapon per archetype.

I agree, honestly. The Khvostov was a surprisingly nice Exotic, despite its lack of a real Exotic perk. Modularity just sounds fun, to me, and it would probably help make better parity between the archetypes.

But I've always been a crazy BTB kind of guy…)

I would love to have BTB, Team Snipers, CTF, Grifball all set in the Destiny Universe. Heck, bring some vehicles into Destiny PvP and it would be a small start.

I think one of the biggest problems with PvP is that they are trying to make it way to perfect in some areas. Give use a separate version of PvP that isn't perfect. Give us a 12v12 of vehicles and mayhem! All snipers, all shotguns, all SMG's! I don't care if it doesn't make sense, I want to see it. Sure keep the regular playlists for people who want to play normal PvP.

I just feel like they are making PvP like the make PvE perfect storied perfection. Keep PvE seamless and perfect, make PvP reckless mayhem!

I'd love to have an ultra-competitive playlist in Destiny. Make it a ranked system or whatever. But then allow us to just have some fun in other types of playlists. We are guardians who can regen over and over, just allow us to do some stupid crap.

I'm hoping that in Destiny 3 that we will get some actual custom games like we had in 3 and Reach. Allow us to set up our own games and maybe even do a light version of forge?

It just seems that Bungie's vision of PvP is completely stale compared to how it was in the past. PvP doesn't always have to be serious.

I understand why they have set playlists instead of being able to host a custom game. Unless there is a playlist that is literally a grab bag of all player hosted games. Otherwise, just make a bunch of playlists that can be swapped out week by week. Gamers just want more options.

Are people really upset that RNG Weapon perks have been removed? Serious question.

One thing I liked about them was getting a weapon that was "yours". The Uriels Gift I use in D2 is the same as everyone else's. The Red Hand IX, the Finalla's Peril, the Extrophile I had in D1 were all unique to me, and that was cool.

But ... shaders!

I LOVE the fact that the gun is the gun is the gun. I never enjoyed comparing perks on the same weapon and I never forged weapons during that thankfully short period.

I fully appreciate that people have different opinions about this.

Are people really upset that RNG Weapon perks have been removed? Serious question.

One thing I liked about them was getting a weapon that was "yours". The Uriels Gift I use in D2 is the same as everyone else's. The Red Hand IX, the Finalla's Peril, the Extrophile I had in D1 were all unique to me, and that was cool.

I thought the way it worked in Age of Triump was a good balance, where the vendors would sell very good rolls every week, and if you wanted you could try to prioritize drops toward a god roll.

What I don't miss about it is the pool of crappy useless perks, and having to agonize over which rolls were better (staring down a constantly full Vault).

Come on Squid, you can have your own Uriels Gift by applying one of 50+ shaders.

I just wish we could buy a base level gun and then change passive perks on the weapons. nothing that will become a must-have, but maybe reload quicker, aim down sights quicker, etc... Needing a counterbalance mod to make a weapon usable is not fun.

Not sure if I would go the full weapon crafting route? maybe just a mix of weapon mods that actually change passive perks up?

I'd actually be fine if they just got rid of all the variations of a weapon archetype and just had a single customizable version of a weapon per archetype.

But I've always been a crazy BTB kind of guy…)

I would love to have BTB, Team Snipers, CTF, Grifball all set in the Destiny Universe. Heck, bring some vehicles into Destiny PvP and it would be a small start.

I think one of the biggest problems with PvP is that they are trying to make it way to perfect in some areas. Give use a separate version of PvP that isn't perfect. Give us a 12v12 of vehicles and mayhem! All snipers, all shotguns, all SMG's! I don't care if it doesn't make sense, I want to see it. Sure keep the regular playlists for people who want to play normal PvP.

I just feel like they are making PvP like the make PvE perfect storied perfection. Keep PvE seamless and perfect, make PvP reckless mayhem!

I'd love to have an ultra-competitive playlist in Destiny. Make it a ranked system or whatever. But then allow us to just have some fun in other types of playlists. We are guardians who can regen over and over, just allow us to do some stupid crap.

I'm hoping that in Destiny 3 that we will get some actual custom games like we had in 3 and Reach. Allow us to set up our own games and maybe even do a light version of forge?

It just seems that Bungie's vision of PvP is completely stale compared to how it was in the past. PvP doesn't always have to be serious.

Are people really upset that RNG Weapon perks have been removed? Serious question.

One thing I liked about them was getting a weapon that was "yours". The Uriels Gift I use in D2 is the same as everyone else's. The Red Hand IX, the Finalla's Peril, the Extrophile I had in D1 were all unique to me, and that was cool.

I thought the way it worked in Age of Triump was a good balance, where the vendors would sell very good rolls every week, and if you wanted you could try to prioritize drops toward a god roll.

What I don't miss about it is the pool of crappy useless perks, and having to agonize over which rolls were better (staring down a constantly full Vault).

But I've always been a crazy BTB kind of guy…)

I would love to have BTB, Team Snipers, CTF, Grifball all set in the Destiny Universe. Heck, bring some vehicles into Destiny PvP and it would be a small start.

I think one of the biggest problems with PvP is that they are trying to make it way to perfect in some areas. Give use a separate version of PvP that isn't perfect. Give us a 12v12 of vehicles and mayhem! All snipers, all shotguns, all SMG's! I don't care if it doesn't make sense, I want to see it. Sure keep the regular playlists for people who want to play normal PvP.

I just feel like they are making PvP like the make PvE perfect storied perfection. Keep PvE seamless and perfect, make PvP reckless mayhem!

But I've always been a crazy BTB kind of guy…)

I would love to have BTB, Team Snipers, CTF, Grifball all set in the Destiny Universe. Heck, bring some vehicles into Destiny PvP and it would be a small start.