Ugh, my aesthetic heart and my desire for some of my D1 gear back. And D1 gear I never had.

Playing RoI was enough to make me want Destiny to go full medieval/space magic with just a tiny bit of sci-fi mixed in... that Knight armor looked so good :D

Also, whatever happened to this guy?

Also seen on the left here:

It's a tiny little thing, but I have a blast with the snowballs. I'd love to see just a bit more of that kind of silly little thing thrown into the game on a semi-regular basis. Tiny little modifiers than are silly and fun and mix things up a little bit :)

Now I'm waiting for the Grimoire entry telling of the Cabal being confused and frightened by all the Guardians running around dancing, acting silly, and throwing snowballs at them.

It comes off as tradition to me. It makes total sense. Yes, I agree that it would be fun if they tweaked it a little bit to make it special, but I don't want them to change it from what it is. I mean, technically Trials is the exact same thing but just in a shorter period of time.

Trials at least has the card system, which makes it different. Iron Banner used to have light level differences. Sure, they were mostly negligible, but they were still there, and it made IB feel different and special, whereas now it just feels like more Crucible for uglier gear.

Yeah, I think Iron Banner could use a little revamp. Also, don't make fun of that gear!! Iron banner gear is my favorite looking armor yet. I'm also a titan though, so Knight/Samurai armor looks really cool on Titans :P

Playing RoI was enough to make me want Destiny to go full medieval/space magic with just a tiny bit of sci-fi mixed in... that Knight armor looked so good :D

Oh no, I think we still need to be aware of what we don't like. I just feel like a lot of us get caught up in what we don't like about the game and it has started to sour the mood for others that do enjoy the game. We all need to just take a step back every once and a while and realize how people are enjoying or not enjoying the game. I'm an optimistic guy, that loves playing Destiny and understands that everyone comes at this game differently and thus have different issues with it. I, regardless of my personal problems with the game, will still enjoy what Bungie did amazing in Destiny (which I think far outweighs the faults).

I do, too. I'm happy with D2. I've had tons of fun with it. Part of my issue is that I've had my time with it, and new gear and Eververse items aren't going to pull me back into the game, so I'd like to see unique events that don't just focus on that.

I understand, I normally just come back for the raids with friends. But I still like coming back for events. The dawning was a lot of fun purely for the little tasks. People say they were grindy, but I just did it with friends and it made it fun and I loved the little stories that went with them. That alone made the event for me. I could care less about the loot, although I had to get the slippery emote because that was amazing. But yeah, I don't know what Crimson days is going to be like but I will still have fun with it.

And just because I enjoy the events doesn't mean I don't think they could be improved upon. I just don't think they require a ton of cool and new content to be viable to be released.

It's a tiny little thing, but I have a blast with the snowballs. I'd love to see just a bit more of that kind of silly little thing thrown into the game on a semi-regular basis. Tiny little modifiers than are silly and fun and mix things up a little bit :)

It comes off as tradition to me. It makes total sense. Yes, I agree that it would be fun if they tweaked it a little bit to make it special, but I don't want them to change it from what it is. I mean, technically Trials is the exact same thing but just in a shorter period of time.

Trials at least has the card system, which makes it different. Iron Banner used to have light level differences. Sure, they were mostly negligible, but they were still there, and it made IB feel different and special, whereas now it just feels like more Crucible for uglier gear.

Yeah, I think Iron Banner could use a little revamp. Also, don't make fun of that gear!! Iron banner gear is my favorite looking armor yet. I'm also a titan though, so Knight/Samurai armor looks really cool on Titans :P

Oh no, I think we still need to be aware of what we don't like. I just feel like a lot of us get caught up in what we don't like about the game and it has started to sour the mood for others that do enjoy the game. We all need to just take a step back every once and a while and realize how people are enjoying or not enjoying the game. I'm an optimistic guy, that loves playing Destiny and understands that everyone comes at this game differently and thus have different issues with it. I, regardless of my personal problems with the game, will still enjoy what Bungie did amazing in Destiny (which I think far outweighs the faults).

I do, too. I'm happy with D2. I've had tons of fun with it. Part of my issue is that I've had my time with it, and new gear and Eververse items aren't going to pull me back into the game, so I'd like to see unique events that don't just focus on that.

I understand, I normally just come back for the raids with friends. But I still like coming back for events. The dawning was a lot of fun purely for the little tasks. People say they were grindy, but I just did it with friends and it made it fun and I loved the little stories that went with them. That alone made the event for me. I could care less about the loot, although I had to get the slippery emote because that was amazing. But yeah, I don't know what Crimson days is going to be like but I will still have fun with it.

And just because I enjoy the events doesn't mean I don't think they could be improved upon. I just don't think they require a ton of cool and new content to be viable to be released.

It comes off as tradition to me. It makes total sense. Yes, I agree that it would be fun if they tweaked it a little bit to make it special, but I don't want them to change it from what it is. I mean, technically Trials is the exact same thing but just in a shorter period of time.

Trials at least has the card system, which makes it different. Iron Banner used to have light level differences. Sure, they were mostly negligible, but they were still there, and it made IB feel different and special, whereas now it just feels like more Crucible for uglier gear.

Oh no, I think we still need to be aware of what we don't like. I just feel like a lot of us get caught up in what we don't like about the game and it has started to sour the mood for others that do enjoy the game. We all need to just take a step back every once and a while and realize how people are enjoying or not enjoying the game. I'm an optimistic guy, that loves playing Destiny and understands that everyone comes at this game differently and thus have different issues with it. I, regardless of my personal problems with the game, will still enjoy what Bungie did amazing in Destiny (which I think far outweighs the faults).

I do, too. I'm happy with D2. I've had tons of fun with it. Part of my issue is that I've had my time with it, and new gear and Eververse items aren't going to pull me back into the game, so I'd like to see unique events that don't just focus on that.

Instagib CTF, Facing Worlds, 16x speed, 0.15% gravity, instant respawn, 16v16, Godlike bots?

Hell. Yes. Bro.

I know this isn't Unreal, but this is the closest thing I could find online without reinstalling the game and playing it myse--wait...

I was all about the morpheus rockets low gravity.

Hell. Yes. Bro.

I know this isn't Unreal, but this is the closest thing I could find online without reinstalling the game and playing it myse--wait...

(though HOW Destiny was much better than any version besides vanilla based on loot).

Lord of Wolves forever.

MOOOOAR ETHEEEERIC LIIIIIIGHT!!!!

(though HOW Destiny was much better than any version besides vanilla based on loot).

Lord of Wolves forever.

To restate: me and Narc and Blackstar played some dawning. There were fun snowballs where we did the whole strike just snowballing, and a hockey game. That was good stuff.

If this crimson days or whatever it is this time adds nothing as is speculated, I don't see the point.

I liked The Dawning. I think Curse of Osiris is definitely the best $20 expansion we have gotten (though HOW Destiny was much better than any version besides vanilla based on loot). I haven't bashed Bungie beyond the same crap I have been saying since 2015, that making the guns worse makes the game worse, which I don't need to reiterate.

And I don't mean to single you out, you just happened to be the person I replied to in the thread.

If this crimson days or whatever it is this time adds nothing as is speculated, I don't see the point.

I liked The Dawning. I think Curse of Osiris is definitely the best $20 expansion we have gotten (though HOW Destiny was much better than any version besides vanilla based on loot). I haven't bashed Bungie beyond the same crap I have been saying since 2015, that making the guns worse makes the game worse, which I don't need to reiterate.

I mean what do people want from Bungie? More content that you can play and do stuff with? That's called a DLC and it's already slated to come out. Until then, have fun with these mini events or don't and have fun someplace else. But don't question the events meaning. I'm going to enjoy the event for what I get out of it. I suggest y'all do the same. And if you get nothing out of it then go someplace else to have fun.

I am under the impression that the idea behind Destiny 2 being a separate, fresh start, was so that Bungie could jettison the baggage of Destiny 1, improve the workflow, and provide a greater quantity of fresh content. I do not remember where this impression came from - whether it's based on something Bungie said, or if it is a community group-think thing. Regardless, it is still the impression that I have.

I do not think D2's Dawning and what it appears Crimson Days will be meet this threshold. If the flip side of that coin is that we'd have D2's content in D1, but without The Dawning and Crimson Days, well, I'd take that deal.

I've had plenty of fun in D2 (the public event/patrol loop specifically is a lot of fun, and probably an improvement over D1), but it's hard not to be a little frustrated at all the things D2 does worse than D1 when viewed through that lens.

I think he means that having limited time events that don’t actually change anything about the game besides the gear you’re earning (Iron Banner, Faction Rally) isn’t exactly fun. Lots of players don’t like the current Crucible, and adding some slightly different gear to the loot pool for a week isn’t going to change that. Something like Mayhem certainly did and was tons of fun. I don’t particularly like doubles, but at least it’s a change of pace. Limited time loot tables isn’t fun or interesting and actually feels incredibly lazy.

I would totally understand his feelings if the event wasn't free. But I also didn't hear him say anything about The Dawning?

I don't particularly like crucible either, but I feel like people are complaining (might not be the best word but it's all I got) more about special events that happened in D1 and now are happening in D2 just because it's D2.

I mean what do people want from Bungie? More content that you can play and do stuff with? That's called a DLC and it's already slated to come out. Until then, have fun with these mini events or don't and have fun someplace else. But don't question the events meaning. I'm going to enjoy the event for what I get out of it. I suggest y'all do the same. And if you get nothing out of it then go someplace else to have fun.

P.S. I'm sorry if this seems a bit in your face, but I'm started to get sick of Bungie Bashers. I want to just have fun with Destiny for what it is: Fun, glorious, the faults and everything in between.

To me, it’s just kinda a symptom of what some of us see as a larger issue; An in-game “event” that actually isn’t an event at all, just more eververse stuff we can buy (or not). The entire point of special events in a game like Destiny is to give players something to get excited about and/or a fun reason to come back to the game. When an event consists of nothing but Eververse loot, that tells me that Bungie thinks and/or wants Eververse to be the thing we’re excited about.

I do have fun with these events. I'm sorry you don't have fun with these events. I'm also sorry you don't see the events the way I see them. I'm saying this with all seriousness.

And I’m glad you enjoy them, just as I’m glad that you post here to share your thoughts about them :)

Also, I know I’ve said this before, but the whole “what do you expect for a free event” argument needs to just stop. That’s a line of thought that can be used to justify anything. I want good content. If that means waiting longer and paying for it when it arrives, that’s totally cool! But work IS going into this event. Bungie is devoting resources to it. They’re going to promote it and hype it and all that.

So you are saying that If we got rid of all these events, and when I say all, I mean ALL. Because there is a team that does all the live events, that includes SRL. If we got rid of them and just throw those people into making the next DLC, the DLC will come out better? I mean, I'm sure it will improve the quality by a little bit, but I'd far rather have a team that does live events to spend their time entertaining me until the DLC comes out.

There are so many different ways that could go, really. With Curse of Osiris being so anemic, part of me thinks the DLC teams could use some help. On the other hand, I totally like the concept of a Live team producing a steady trickle of new content to fill the gaps between major expansions... I just wish it was actual GAMEPLAY content, and not just some new Eververse loot and some decorations in the tower (not that I don’t appreciate the decorations).

Just as an example, I’ve been playing a bunch of AC Origins this past week, and they have these special limited-time events that occur every few weeks. A super high-level boss appears in the world, with unique new loot as a reward for beating it. The game has only been out for like 6 weeks, and they’ve already had 2 or 3 of these things, not to mention the special daily quests hidden around the world, a complete DLC release coming very soon, etc.

I don’t know the development details, but I suspect this content was mostly if not completely finished during main development. But at the end of the day, I don’t care about that. They’ve taken aim at a similar goal to what Bungie is trying to do with Destiny; creating a living, breathing world where there’s constantly fun and new reasons to jump back in. But Ubisoft is doing it with actual gameplay activities, while Bungie’s live team seems to focus on selling new loot rather than providing new experiences.

It disappoints me to see that kind of buildup and hype around something that is so far away from what the community actually wants, or the game actually needs.

One person shouldn't speak for the community as to their wants and needs. You are welcome to tell this community what you want out of Destiny, but please don't speak for the community. I am part of this community and I want this. I am not so brash as to say that Destiny needs anything. Yes, there are things that would improve it in my mind, but that is personal preference to a game that I want to play.

Everything I say is couched within the context of “my personal opinion”. I don’t claim to speak for the greater community, but I do have opinions on what would be better for the game and/or the community at large. They’re obviously nothing more than my own opinions, but I always do my best to back those opinions up with reasonable arguments, for whatever that’s worth. In this particular case, my argument is that *if* Bungie wants to use a steady drip of new content to keep people coming back, then good new GAMEPLAY content would be a far more effective way of achieving that goal than an Event built around Eververse items. That week before they nerfed Prometheus Lense generated more in-game excitement and good vibes within the community than any Live Team event ever has, with the possible exception of SRL, in my estimation.

I’m all for saying “Destiny 2 is what it is... either enjoy it for what it is or play something else.” I think that’s a great way to approach any game, really. But Bungie doesn’t approach the game that way... at least they say they don’t.

And they shouldn't! They are developers, their job is to create a game they want to play and will make money. Yes, that in a way includes making people like their game, but it's not all inclusive.

So in the spirit of constructive criticism, any time Bungie does an Eververse-driven event like this, I will respectfully say that as a fan of Destiny and a fan of Bungie, I think this kind of content does more harm than good and falls far short of what I expect from a studio like Bungie.

And I respect that. I personally enjoy these events. I can't say that if there were no events that the overall future content would be better. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. I don't know if I want to give up these events to see if it would be better though.

I totally hear where you’re coming from in terms of not wanting to lose something that you enjoy, but do you really enjoy these events so much that you prefer them over new strikes, new quests, new PvP modes, or other completely new activities? Would new playable content mean less to you than new shaders and sparrows?

But beyond that question, it really shouldn’t come down to “either/or”. Titanfall 2 provided a steady stream of FREE updates for more than a year. Each update included new maps, new game modes, new weapons, balance tweaks (with more tweaks happening constantly between content releases), AS WELL AS optional cosmetic items available through Microtransactions. They used Microtransactions to find the development of new gameplay content, rather than using Microtransactions to fund the creation of new Microtransactions, which from the outside appears to be about 90% of what the Live Team is up to.

* For the record, I’m fully prepared to eat crow on all of this if it turns out that there’s more to this event than we currently know.

I'm not necessarily bashing. I thought The Dawning was fine for what it was. I certainly engaged more than I expected to. At least it gave us Mayhem, which was something different.

I'm not singling anyone out, I just have this general feel on DBO that that is what is happening. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but I see more threads about what Bungie is doing wrong than what Bungie is doing well. So much so that it's taking more effort for me to post anything that I find awesome about Destiny because I can count in my head how long it takes before someone tells me something they don't like. Maybe that is where Destiny is for people, but it's not where I am at.

But Iron Banner and Faction Rally aren't even special events. It's just doing more of what we're already doing for a special loot pool that is only available for a week. That sucks, and honestly comes off as lazy to me.

It comes off as tradition to me. It makes total sense. Yes, I agree that it would be fun if they tweaked it a little bit to make it special, but I don't want them to change it from what it is. I mean, technically Trials is the exact same thing but just in a shorter period of time.

I mean what do people want from Bungie? More content that you can play and do stuff with? That's called a DLC and it's already slated to come out. Until then, have fun with these mini events or don't and have fun someplace else. But don't question the events meaning. I'm going to enjoy the event for what I get out of it. I suggest y'all do the same.

I just want the fun back. I like D2. I just miss the limited time events actually feeling cool and different and special, and not just the same exact thing we already have with slightly different loot.

You know what I miss? The tiny new additions to the world that came with DLCs. Where are the Swordbearers, the Packs of Wolves, and the groups of Taken that came along? That was cool. It was small, but it made the game feel different, like it was changing.

Yeah, that would be cool. The snowballs were a nice addition that mixed it up.

And if you get nothing out of it then go someplace else to have fun.

You mean you haven't noticed all the other threads talking about other games? Seems like that's exactly what people are doing.

I'm most saying that for the people who still haven't realized it yet ;-)

P.S. I'm sorry if this seems a bit in your face, but I'm started to get sick of Bungie Bashers. I want to just have fun with Destiny for what it is: Fun, glorious, the faults and everything in between.

I'm still having fun with Destiny. I jumped back in for Curse of Osiris and The Dawning for a month. I'm signed up for a raid tomorrow (and a D1 classic raid next week). That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore all the bad things and just keep my mouth shut, which seems like what you're asking for, and that sucks.

Oh no, I think we still need to be aware of what we don't like. I just feel like a lot of us get caught up in what we don't like about the game and it has started to sour the mood for others that do enjoy the game. We all need to just take a step back every once and a while and realize how people are enjoying or not enjoying the game. I'm an optimistic guy, that loves playing Destiny and understands that everyone comes at this game differently and thus have different issues with it. I, regardless of my personal problems with the game, will still enjoy what Bungie did amazing in Destiny (which I think far outweighs the faults).

I think he means that having limited time events that don’t actually change anything about the game besides the gear you’re earning (Iron Banner, Faction Rally) isn’t exactly fun. Lots of players don’t like the current Crucible, and adding some slightly different gear to the loot pool for a week isn’t going to change that. Something like Mayhem certainly did and was tons of fun. I don’t particularly like doubles, but at least it’s a change of pace. Limited time loot tables isn’t fun or interesting and actually feels incredibly lazy.

I would totally understand his feelings if the event wasn't free. But I also didn't hear him say anything about The Dawning?

I don't particularly like crucible either, but I feel like people are complaining (might not be the best word but it's all I got) more about special events that happened in D1 and now are happening in D2 just because it's D2.

I mean what do people want from Bungie? More content that you can play and do stuff with? That's called a DLC and it's already slated to come out. Until then, have fun with these mini events or don't and have fun someplace else. But don't question the events meaning. I'm going to enjoy the event for what I get out of it. I suggest y'all do the same. And if you get nothing out of it then go someplace else to have fun.

P.S. I'm sorry if this seems a bit in your face, but I'm started to get sick of Bungie Bashers. I want to just have fun with Destiny for what it is: Fun, glorious, the faults and everything in between.

To me, it’s just kinda a symptom of what some of us see as a larger issue; An in-game “event” that actually isn’t an event at all, just more eververse stuff we can buy (or not). The entire point of special events in a game like Destiny is to give players something to get excited about and/or a fun reason to come back to the game. When an event consists of nothing but Eververse loot, that tells me that Bungie thinks and/or wants Eververse to be the thing we’re excited about.

I do have fun with these events. I'm sorry you don't have fun with these events. I'm also sorry you don't see the events the way I see them. I'm saying this with all seriousness.

Also, I know I’ve said this before, but the whole “what do you expect for a free event” argument needs to just stop. That’s a line of thought that can be used to justify anything. I want good content. If that means waiting longer and paying for it when it arrives, that’s totally cool! But work IS going into this event. Bungie is devoting resources to it. They’re going to promote it and hype it and all that.

So you are saying that If we got rid of all these events, and when I say all, I mean ALL. Because there is a team that does all the live events, that includes SRL. If we got rid of them and just throw those people into making the next DLC, the DLC will come out better? I mean, I'm sure it will improve the quality by a little bit, but I'd far rather have a team that does live events to spend their time entertaining me until the DLC comes out.

It disappoints me to see that kind of buildup and hype around something that is so far away from what the community actually wants, or the game actually needs.

One person shouldn't speak for the community as to their wants and needs. You are welcome to tell this community what you want out of Destiny, but please don't speak for the community. I am part of this community and I want this. I am not so brash as to say that Destiny needs anything. Yes, there are things that would improve it in my mind, but that is personal preference to a game that I want to play.

I’m all for saying “Destiny 2 is what it is... either enjoy it for what it is or play something else.” I think that’s a great way to approach any game, really. But Bungie doesn’t approach the game that way... at least they say they don’t.

And they shouldn't! They are developers, their job is to create a game they want to play and will make money. Yes, that in a way includes making people like their game, but it's not all inclusive.

So in the spirit of constructive criticism, any time Bungie does an Eververse-driven event like this, I will respectfully say that as a fan of Destiny and a fan of Bungie, I think this kind of content does more harm than good and falls far short of what I expect from a studio like Bungie.

And I respect that. I personally enjoy these events. I can't say that if there were no events that the overall future content would be better. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. I don't know if I want to give up these events to see if it would be better though.

* For the record, I’m fully prepared to eat crow on all of this if it turns out that there’s more to this event than we currently know.