DBO Forums - Maybe the word to use is “equity” https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/ Bungie.Org talks Destiny en Maybe the word to use is “equity” (reply) Despite the irrelevant examples Cody gave, even just talking equity, it’s true that “nobody” is independent in that sense. Very few people have the money to 100% Self finance a game of any significant scope. Nor should they take that risk alone, really.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160273 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160273 Sat, 02 Feb 2019 14:59:27 +0000 Off-TopicVortech
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

It would be a shame if they let Eververse be the hold up. I couldn't care less about it. Make cosmetics/silver dust platform-dependent, non-tranferrable, whatever they have to. It's a small price to pay. I think they'd still sell more copies of the game.

Can confirm...at least ONE more copy, anyway. I LOVE playing Destiny 2 on the PC, but I haven't picked up Forsaken for PC because I love raiding even more and there just aren't enough DBOers regularly on PC to get a raid group. If I could play on PC any time I wanted to just screw around playing solo stuff and then jump over to Xbox on raid nights, I wouldn't even think twice about picking up every expansion and season pass on both platforms as soon as they're released.

Which reminds me, I should really jump back in long enough to grab Whisper on PC. Snipers are so much more useful with mouse and keyboard :)

-Disciple

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160214 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160214 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:58:05 +0000 Off-TopicDiscipleN2k
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

I’m with you, but that’s probably not easy. Think of all the Eververse items you have. Shaders, ghosts, transmat effects, ships, sparrows, weapon and armor ornaments, armor, emotes.

What happens to those if they’re equipped and you sign in on another platform? They’d probably have to get auto-vaulted and locked somehow. That’s a messy solution, and it means now I have to spend ten minutes every time I sign in picking the right gear. That’s without even considering how difficult that might be to accomplish from their end.

If that’s the cost of being able to platform hop, I’ll take it, but I hope they could figure something else out.

I said this earlier but they've already handled it. I had D1 bonus items that showed up on one Xbox platform but not the other. They just swapped it out with another item in that category. The exception was ships, which would be invisible.

I mean it's basically all down to who gets the money right? And of course the console exclusives... But if you iron that out from the get go that shouldn't be as hard. Basically what they need to do is have a contract that states a percentage of the micro-transactions going forward. Then all items could be transferred right?

Am I missing something here? I mean getting the console giants to sign that deal might not be easy, but I feel like that needs to be a standard from the start of a game going forward.

Let the platforms continue to sell silver for their platform. Have silver wallets stay platform-dependent. The console guys would get their share. Once items are bought, let them be transferable or don't. Don't care myself. Definitely care more about just having cross-saves.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160200 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160200 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:10:46 +0000 Off-TopicKermit
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

I’m with you, but that’s probably not easy. Think of all the Eververse items you have. Shaders, ghosts, transmat effects, ships, sparrows, weapon and armor ornaments, armor, emotes.

What happens to those if they’re equipped and you sign in on another platform? They’d probably have to get auto-vaulted and locked somehow. That’s a messy solution, and it means now I have to spend ten minutes every time I sign in picking the right gear. That’s without even considering how difficult that might be to accomplish from their end.

If that’s the cost of being able to platform hop, I’ll take it, but I hope they could figure something else out.

I mean it's basically all down to who gets the money right? And of course the console exclusives... But if you iron that out from the get go that shouldn't be as hard. Basically what they need to do is have a contract that states a percentage of the micro-transactions going forward. Then all items could be transferred right?

Am I missing something here? I mean getting the console giants to sign that deal might not be easy, but I feel like that needs to be a standard from the start of a game going forward.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160199 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160199 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 15:38:55 +0000 Off-TopicMacAddictXIV
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply) I’m with you, but that’s probably not easy. Think of all the Eververse items you have. Shaders, ghosts, transmat effects, ships, sparrows, weapon and armor ornaments, armor, emotes.

What happens to those if they’re equipped and you sign in on another platform? They’d probably have to get auto-vaulted and locked somehow. That’s a messy solution, and it means now I have to spend ten minutes every time I sign in picking the right gear. That’s without even considering how difficult that might be to accomplish from their end.

If that’s the cost of being able to platform hop, I’ll take it, but I hope they could figure something else out.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160198 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160198 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 15:33:37 +0000 Off-TopiccheapLEY
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

Alright, you did good reading the first half of my post, congrats! Now read the second part.


Don't tell me what to do. :-p

There are solutions to cosmetics if they apply themselves.


I think there could be, but Eververse is going to be a pain either way, especially now, with Bungie self-publishing, where I feel like cosmetic microtransactions are going to pop up in a big way more than ever (just last week, Bungie was taking requests on Twitter for new Emotes, which are probably their most cost-effective Microtransaction besides Ghost projections).

I'd be okay with getting to pick a handful of Eververse cosmetics to bring over, and having to re-earn the rest. I already know more or less which I'd bring. Do remember that a lot of their Eververse content was seasonal, and there is currently no way to re-acquire a lot of it.

But anyway, nothing will likely happen until the Exclusives contract ends and they're fully able to implement their own game philosophy.

It would be a shame if they let Eververse be the hold up. I couldn't care less about it. Make cosmetics/silver dust platform-dependent, non-tranferrable, whatever they have to. It's a small price to pay. I think they'd still sell more copies of the game.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160193 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160193 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 13:36:46 +0000 Off-TopicKermit
Great question, actually... (reply)

Imagine the goldmine that cosmetics exclusively bought on one console but still wearable on others would be.

Yeah, I thought about that, too, when Fortnite crossplay was the hot thing being discussed.

Like, why wouldn't Sony want their exclusive outfits showing up on the Switch or Xbox or PC?

"Hey, where'd you get that?"

"Oh, you have to play on PS4 to get it."

"Oh, shit, I guess I'll go play over there for a week!"

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160176 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160176 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:52:52 +0000 Off-TopiccheapLEY
Great question, actually... (reply) Imagine the goldmine that cosmetics exclusively bought on one console but still wearable on others would be.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160175 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160175 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:28:13 +0000 Off-TopicZackDark
Great question, actually... (reply) I think you and I had this conversation once before, but . . .

I still think the best play would be for every platform to just let it ride. Let microtransaction stuff just be account wide, no matter the platform. It'd all even out, eventually, I think. I would hazard a guess that most people probably only have one console anyway, so they'd obviously just spend the money on that console.

Those with multiple platforms would spend money anywhere, I think. If I was playing on PS4 and saw a cosmetic I wanted, I'd just buy it there (if I knew that it would still remain with me when I switched to another platform for an evening). I have no way to back it up, but I feel like most people would do the same. I don't think many would intentionally switch platforms just to buy something. It would spread that microtransaction money around. If they keep that stuff platform specific, it just ensures that I will switch to my preferred platform to spend money. So, if you're Sony, you get none of my sweet dollars, as I'd buy everything on Xbox. But if they just let it go wherever, I'd be just as likely to give that 30% cut to Sony as I would Microsoft. I think it would mostly equalize.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160174 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160174 Thu, 31 Jan 2019 02:56:09 +0000 Off-TopiccheapLEY
+1 (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160165 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160165 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:20:18 +0000 Off-TopicCruelLEGACEY Yeah, I'd be good with that... (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160162 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160162 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:29:31 +0000 Off-Topickidtsunami Great question, actually... (reply) Looking it up, it seems to work like this:

V-bucks (the game's premium currency) don't transfer between platforms unless they were earned through gameplay. Same for Battle Pass content. You can unlock stuff with your V-bucks on one platform, and unlocked content does carry over freely, but you don't make progress for the unlocks across different platforms. You do get a notification telling you how many V-bucks you have on another platform, but there is no way to transfer it., and any bonuses that the Battle Pass gives you (XP boosts or whatever) are unavailable unless you play on the platform that you bought them on.

In Destiny terms, Eververse content acquired with Silver or Silver Dust would transfer, but none of your silver or Silver-obtained dust would. On top of that, the content would not be knocked out on your Prismatic Facet, so you'd have to fill out that "progress bar" separately.

Slightly annoying, but understandable. It would mean that a lot of your Silver would go to waste on the new platform by rewarding you with content that you already had (which would be increasingly annoying as they add new content to the Bright Engram pool), but it's a fair trade, I feel.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160161 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160161 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:27:38 +0000 Off-TopicKorny
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

Alright, you did good reading the first half of my post, congrats! Now read the second part.


Don't tell me what to do. :-p

There are solutions to cosmetics if they apply themselves.

I think there could be, but Eververse is going to be a pain either way, especially now, with Bungie self-publishing, where I feel like cosmetic microtransactions are going to pop up in a big way more than ever (just last week, Bungie was taking requests on Twitter for new Emotes, which are probably their most cost-effective Microtransaction besides Ghost projections).

I'd be okay with getting to pick a handful of Eververse cosmetics to bring over, and having to re-earn the rest. I already know more or less which I'd bring. Do remember that a lot of their Eververse content was seasonal, and there is currently no way to re-acquire a lot of it.

But anyway, nothing will likely happen until the Exclusives contract ends and they're fully able to implement their own game philosophy.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160159 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160159 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:15:43 +0000 Off-TopicKorny
How does Fortnite handle purchases between platforms? (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160158 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160158 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:12:57 +0000 Off-Topickidtsunami Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

Alright, you did good reading the first half of my post, congrats! Now read the second part.

Don't tell me what to do. :-p

There are solutions to cosmetics if they apply themselves. It could be as simple as greying out items if they were purchased on a platform you are not currently playing on, and tracking bright dust on a per platform basis.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160157 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160157 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:08:46 +0000 Off-TopicCody Miller
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

Look at it this way. If your account is shared between platforms in Destiny, you won't have access to anything that was acquired through Eververse. At the very least, anything that was purchased with Silver or Silver Dust that came from a direct result of Silver-purchased engrams. How would they be able to discern from earned dust and purchased dust? They wouldn't, I don't think, so they'd probably just wipe that due to contractual obligation, and you'd be locked out on one platform, since you didn't make the purchase from them. DE has pointed that out as one real, existing issue, so Bungie would no doubt run into it as well, and not everyone is Kermit, so for a lot of people, that's a big deal.

LOL you are so right. This has got to be the reason.

Microtransactions everybody!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160156 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160156 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:07:38 +0000 Off-TopicCody Miller
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

DE directly addressed crossplay on their last devstream, saying that while it has always been a goal, and Sony's crossplay Beta is slowly expanding, existing contracts between Sony and Microsoft were preventing it, and that it would take some real re-negotiation of those to make it remotely possible to implement.


But we are talking about cross saves, not cross play.

I'm just not seeing the reason… all each version of the game does is look up your character on the server. So what does it matter if the other platform does the same thing? Neither the PS4 nor the Xbox apps have to talk to each other… they talk to bungie.net which is the same as now.

This doesn't require cross communication between platforms. If I post a link to a jpeg, my Mac doesn't have to talk to a PC for both of us to view it. From the point of view of each platform's code, they are doing the same thing they always have and only talking to the server.

Alright, you did good reading the first half of my post, congrats! Now read the second part.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160155 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160155 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:07:37 +0000 Off-TopicKorny
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

To be able to do it freely, however, you run into a lot of issues involving real-world purchases made on one platform not transferring over (such as fan-made content, which can only be purchased with real money, and is a massive part of the game's monetization), but it would be a "better than nothing" solution.


Guess I don't care about that. For those who want to, let us choose the account we want to keep across all platforms and wipe everything else out. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Easy for you, maybe not as much for others, especially those who have plenty of time and money invested into multiple platforms. And what happens to our Eververse purchases?

Regarding DE, not sure how relevant Warframe is to Destiny. I have zero interest in their particular issues.

Look at it this way. If your account is shared between platforms in Destiny, you won't have access to anything that was acquired through Eververse. At the very least, anything that was purchased with Silver or Silver Dust that came from a direct result of Silver-purchased engrams. How would they be able to discern from earned dust and purchased dust? They wouldn't, I don't think, so they'd probably just wipe that due to contractual obligation, and you'd be locked out on one platform, since you didn't make the purchase from them (this includes nullifying your existing Silver on the migrated platform). DE has pointed that out as one real, existing issue, so Bungie would no doubt run into it as well, and not everyone is Kermit, so for a lot of people, that's a big deal.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160154 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160154 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:50 +0000 Off-TopicKorny
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

DE directly addressed crossplay on their last devstream, saying that while it has always been a goal, and Sony's crossplay Beta is slowly expanding, existing contracts between Sony and Microsoft were preventing it, and that it would take some real re-negotiation of those to make it remotely possible to implement.

But we are talking about cross saves, not cross play.

I'm just not seeing the reason… all each version of the game does is look up your character on the server. So what does it matter if the other platform does the same thing? Neither the PS4 nor the Xbox apps have to talk to each other… they talk to bungie.net which is the same as now.

This doesn't require cross communication between platforms. If I post a link to a jpeg, my Mac doesn't have to talk to a PC for both of us to view it. From the point of view of each platform's code, they are doing the same thing they always have and only talking to the server.

If there is a contractual veto on this than whoever wrote that contract is a fucking dick.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160153 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160153 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:05:34 +0000 Off-TopicCody Miller
Sony's the holdout, methinks. (reply)

Sort of.

DE directly addressed crossplay on their last devstream, saying that while it has always been a goal, and Sony's crossplay Beta is slowly expanding, existing contracts between Sony and Microsoft were preventing it, and that it would take some real re-negotiation of those to make it remotely possible to implement.

The one ray of hope was Steve saying that a possible workaround would be account migration between platforms, which they've already done before between PS4 and PC, and PC and Switch (account data is stored on their system, and you can link the different platform accounts together, much like Bungie does).
To be able to do it freely, however, you run into a lot of issues involving real-world purchases made on one platform not transferring over (such as fan-made content, which can only be purchased with real money, and is a massive part of the game's monetization), but it would be a "better than nothing" solution.


I wonder if that's what'll happen. That Bungie will wait until there are no exclusives anymore and boom, cross progression is available. Even so, they already have equipment requirements for specific activities, so (ignoring effort) it seems like it'd be possible to enforce platform specific gear before someone starts any activity on that platform.

They already handled this with 360 vs. Xbone pre-order bonus differences.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160150 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=160150 Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:12:35 +0000 Off-TopicKermit