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My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Cody has a long history with this community, misses people, and like everyone, enjoys the back and forth and validation you get there. It's probably part of why most of us post. Unfortunately for us, he's decided Destiny isn't for him, which makes the seeking validation part a bit awkward, given Destiny is the main reason we're here.

Really it's to see all your faces when in February you realize Vanquish is actually incredible. :-p

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167950 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167950 Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:58:17 +0000 DestinyCody Miller
Also, hello; I'm back from moving and holidays (reply)

I mean, if we REALLY want to roll with this metaphor it's a bit more like showing up at a couples-only dinner party you used to regularly attend and announcing how happy you are now that you are single and don't eat any of this kind of food anymore, and by the way here's an article I found about how this food isn't healthy for you, and then passing out business cards for your divorce lawyer, but…

I don't want you to leave or feel like you can't post here, but I truly don't know what the purpose of this thread could be other than to make people feel bad about the fact that they are playing destiny unlike the right choice that you made. When people — people who have themselves recently publicly quit — shared what they like about the game your response what that you didn't believe them. Did I miss it? What was your purpose for the thread? How should we have known it?

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Cody has a long history with this community, misses people, and like everyone, enjoys the back and forth and validation you get there. It's probably part of why most of us post. Unfortunately for us, he's decided Destiny isn't for him, which makes the seeking validation part a bit awkward, given Destiny is the main reason we're here.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167941 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167941 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:09:16 +0000 DestinyKermit
Putting words into Speachlessness. (reply)

I haven't even turned my xbox on since May, i've been focused on family, work, and cows. I just saw cody's thread and thought that i would report in as well.

Report received comrade!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167924 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167924 Thu, 09 Jan 2020 01:46:05 +0000 DestinyCody Miller
Putting words into Speachlessness. (reply)

I've worked diligently (and had help) in building a vast vocabulary. Yet in the last day or so... I don't know what word to give to describe how or what I feel about "Keep on keeping on man!" right here, my response in reading this - and it bothers me.

A splinter on the mind.

This is a thread in a Destiny Forum about not playing Destiny. Celebrating that fact even to a degree. This is a post here encouraging this further.

Is this post to which I reply... Incongruous? Is that the word? Paradoxical? Inverted? ... bah. Weird? ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

/2¢

I stick around and check in b/c i've been playing with a lot of the folks on here since Halo 2. I'm just getting burned out of the endless grind. I miss the old Halo days of just playing a game, the only reward was winning. All the boxes you have to check and currencies and materials are tedious. I will probably poke back into Destiny at some point, but i decided to do other things in the meantime. I haven't even turned my xbox on since May, i've been focused on family, work, and cows. I just saw cody's thread and thought that i would report in as well.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167921 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167921 Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:02:40 +0000 DestinySchedonnardus
Impressive metaphor. (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167909 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167909 Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:11:49 +0000 DestinyEffortlessFury Also, hello; I'm back from moving and holidays (reply) I mean, if we REALLY want to roll with this metaphor it's a bit more like showing up at a couples-only dinner party you used to regularly attend and announcing how happy you are now that you are single and don't eat any of this kind of food anymore, and by the way here's an article I found about how this food isn't healthy for you, and then passing out business cards for your divorce lawyer, but…

I don't want you to leave or feel like you can't post here, but I truly don't know what the purpose of this thread could be other than to make people feel bad about the fact that they are playing destiny unlike the right choice that you made. When people — people who have themselves recently publicly quit — shared what they like about the game your response what that you didn't believe them. Did I miss it? What was your purpose for the thread? How should we have known it?

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167908 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167908 Tue, 07 Jan 2020 03:37:30 +0000 DestinyVortech
Plus you need to get to 92 this season (reply) In order to unlock the upgraded Sundial weapons. And the longer you take to do it, the less time you have to get those rolls you want.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167903 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167903 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 20:50:52 +0000 Destinysomeotherguy
They're not the same bounties (reply) That’s probably true. But there’s still always that feeling that I could or should be doing more to work on the season pass ranks. I only made it to the mid-80s last season, and I played a fair bit and was always stocked up on bounties. Getting all the way to 100 is not trivial. I don’t know if it should be, but having to worry about it at all really just turns me off from the game altogether.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167902 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167902 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 20:01:38 +0000 DestinycheapLEY
They're not the same bounties (reply) I mean, you could be more choosy with which bounties you take. Honestly, a few weeklies really take care of it. The gunsmith ones are pretty easy to do without much alteration to your playstyle.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167901 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167901 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 19:26:13 +0000 DestinyEffortlessFury
it's all the same ecosystem (reply) Those bounties are the only (good) repeatable sources of both bright dust and exp. The exp model only even existed for glamour/bright engram grind up until the Season Pass tracks became a thing.

The reason those bounties give pitiful exp (or there is an exp system at all) is and has long been (in D2) a glamour grind. It's also the reason activities give even more pitiful exp. The exp ecosystem is driven by the glamour and microtransaction ecosystem. And it wasnt necessarily a harsh grind one, but a grind nonetheless, necessitated by a desire not to have everyone easily get everything for free.

Ordinarily as someone who doesnt care about glam, Id be kinda who cares. Except there are now tangible rewards tied to the Season Pass track, and theyr'e time-limited. But the unpleasant level grind is the same.

So now it affects everyone, whether they care about glamour or not.


P.S
The Polarized Fractaline bounties are also symptomatic of intentionally making things grindier. They're not dofficult, but they are a chore, and you need to do them to fully enjoy this Season.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167900 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167900 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 17:17:19 +0000 Destinysomeotherguy
They're not the same bounties (reply) I know, but I’m talking about bounties in general. They’re the only efficient way to level up the season pass. Actually doing activities gives laughable amounts of XP, to the point that I would not even come close to finishing the pass without bounties. The fact that the only ones that give bright dust don’t also reward good XP makes it worse, not better.

It’s exactly the friction Cody always talks about. Instead of just letting players play the game, it dictates the way players must play the game to make good progress or get bright dust. I’m sure plenty of folks like bounties and the variety of play they encourage. I constantly switch my play styles and load outs anyway, I don’t need bounties to push me to do so, and I hate juggling them and stopping every five minutes to check progress and make sure I’m using the right weapons out subclasses to cover them all.

The new bright dust economy has directly lead to me spending real money (which I am happy to do, for the record). There is no way I care enough to try and do enough bounties to get any real amount of bright dust, combined with keeping track of what I’d on sale week to week. I’ll just give them my ten dollars, buy the thing I want and be done. It would be incredibly difficult for anyone to convince me that’s not explicitly why the system is the way it is right now. They want people to just give them money while also being able to say “well you can get it for free if you just play,” as if getting it for free isn’t a completely absurd grind.

I know I just said I was leading to avoid being negative, but this is important, in that it’s pretty much the exact reason I quit.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167899 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167899 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:58:34 +0000 DestinycheapLEY
They're not the same bounties (reply) I'm pretty sure the random bounties give laughable amounts of XP (as well as laughable amounts of dust). You have to do 20+ of them to level up without the XP bonus you get for the first 3 levels of the week and they cost absurd amounts of glimmer.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167898 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167898 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:27:22 +0000 DestinyZackDark
Nah (reply) Those bounties are a major reason I’ve become disinterested in the game (although from a season pass/XP leveling angle, rather than for bright dust, which I don’t care about).

It’s busywork that refuses to let me just play the game. Sure, you can ignore them and play just fine, but then you’re no longer getting bright dust and no longer efficiently gaining XP to level the season pass (something I’m not convinced I could actually level up just by playing the game if I didn’t constantly juggle bounties).

Bounties are completely counter to the things that make Destiny good in my opinion, especially for how often Bungie tells me they’re allowing me to play my way. If I could jump in and just play the game, ignore bounties, do whatever my friends want to do (the way I’ve been playing Destiny since Destiny 2 released), I’d still be paying. Instead, every time I logged on, I felt that I had to spend twenty minutes prioritizing which chores to do first to actually make good progress, instead of my old standby of just seeing what anyone else was doing and start paying. That is still possible, but it would be at the expense of leveling up the season pass or getting bright dust, which is now where they put all the coolest stuff. You can argue about cosmetics all day long, but for many looking cool is an essential part of Destiny. If it wasn’t, the Eververse wouldn’t exist in the first place.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167895 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167895 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 15:19:30 +0000 DestinycheapLEY
Nah (reply)

The frictions are in the gameplay whether you want them or not. That's sort of the point.

I agree that they are there, but I'm not sure I get the point now.

The bright dust/bright engram economy affects the game whether you care about cosmetics or not.

How so? Major bright dust bumps come from weekly bounties, which, quite frankly, can all be done within 2 to 5 matches of the associated activity (time which will also contribute to other bounties if you're carrying them). The slog to gain extra dust without paying money (which is indeed quite a slog) comes from the random bounties of very specific activities that are usually harmless, might-as-well, not-like-I-wasn't-already busywork (for strikes: 25 auto-rifle kills, 15 grenade kills, etc; for Crucible: kill 5 Hunters, 10 precision kills, etc; etc). I honestly can't see how these seriously harm gameplay.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167892 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167892 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:46:03 +0000 DestinyZackDark
Nah (reply) The frictions are in the gameplay whether you want them or not. That's sort of the point.

The bright dust/bright engram economy affects the game whether you care about cosmetics or not.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167891 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167891 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 07:48:40 +0000 Destinysomeotherguy
Is the article even saying that? (reply)

uggests that the way you look is really the ONLY thing that matters?

Wasn't what I took away from it *shrug*

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167890 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167890 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 07:44:14 +0000 Destinysomeotherguy
One Year Anniversary (reply)

I explained that in the text you quoted. Read it again. The "dresstiny" aspect bleeds into the "Destiny" aspect because of changes to the basic design of the game that are necessary to facilitate players purchasing items instead of buying them for in game currency.

It wouldn't if the only way to get them were to pay real money. But that is not the case.

But those frictions that exist (and boy do they exist) only exist for those who care about the cosmetics. Every other frictions exist for the god rolls of randomly-rolled perks. Those would easily align with your customary arguments, just not this article...

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167889 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167889 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 06:56:48 +0000 DestinyZackDark
^this: context matters (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167888 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167888 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:42:11 +0000 DestinyRobot Chickens One Year Anniversary (reply)

I don't think you are parsing the thesis properly. The raids are not the only part of the game.


Hilariously, I had originally typed 'Destiny' rather than 'raids', but then thought to myself, "Cody doesn't care about anything but raids, I'll be more specific."

Rereading the article doesn't change my question. How is separating 'Dresstiny' from Destiny a bad thing from your viewpoint? (Just to be clear, I can easily see how it's a bad thing from the viewpoint of others, just not you)


It's bad because many activities have incorporated 'frictions' so that merely playing the game to get bright dust and buy what you want is practically impossible. Frictions you face even if you have no interest in bright dust. Any store in which the items can be purchased for either real money or for in game currency necessarily involve a compromise to game design.

This is why the "it's optional" argument is bullshit. It must necessarily effect those who don't pay, because the whole point of the frictions is to convince you to pay.


You're not answering his question.

You've made it abundantly clear in the past that the only thing that matters to you is raiding. You played some Crucible in the early days, but that got old, for you.

You have NEVER implied that your enjoyment of the game depended on the look of your armor - so why are you suddenly getting behind an article that suggests that the way you look is really the ONLY thing that matters?

I explained that in the text you quoted. Read it again. The "dresstiny" aspect bleeds into the "Destiny" aspect because of changes to the basic design of the game that are necessary to facilitate players purchasing items instead of buying them for in game currency.

If you don't give a shit about cosmetics, having all of them behind a paywall should not affect your gameplay in the slightest.

It wouldn't if the only way to get them were to pay real money. But that is not the case.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167887 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167887 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:37:08 +0000 DestinyCody Miller
One Year Anniversary (reply)

I don't think you are parsing the thesis properly. The raids are not the only part of the game.


Hilariously, I had originally typed 'Destiny' rather than 'raids', but then thought to myself, "Cody doesn't care about anything but raids, I'll be more specific."

Rereading the article doesn't change my question. How is separating 'Dresstiny' from Destiny a bad thing from your viewpoint? (Just to be clear, I can easily see how it's a bad thing from the viewpoint of others, just not you)


It's bad because many activities have incorporated 'frictions' so that merely playing the game to get bright dust and buy what you want is practically impossible. Frictions you face even if you have no interest in bright dust. Any store in which the items can be purchased for either real money or for in game currency necessarily involve a compromise to game design.

This is why the "it's optional" argument is bullshit. It must necessarily effect those who don't pay, because the whole point of the frictions is to convince you to pay.

You're not answering his question.

You've made it abundantly clear in the past that the only thing that matters to you is raiding. You played some Crucible in the early days, but that got old, for you.

You have NEVER implied that your enjoyment of the game depended on the look of your armor - so why are you suddenly getting behind an article that suggests that the way you look is really the ONLY thing that matters?

If you don't give a shit about cosmetics, having all of them behind a paywall should not affect your gameplay in the slightest.

Unless you're implying here that all of this is empathy for others, who DO enjoy the cosmetic aspect? (That would be odd, given your distinct lack of empathy for the viewpoints of others over the past 5 years or so, but I guess everyone can change.)

I think squid's point was that you've latched onto an article that stands diametrically opposed to your oft-stated viewpoint, and are using it to argue your own point not because you agree with it, but because the END CONCLUSION is the same as yours (the game isn't worth playing right now).

Just because both paths end in the same place doesn't mean they're compatible arguments.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167885 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=167885 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:28:52 +0000 DestinyClaude Errera