DBO Forums - So is it just a meh then? https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/ Bungie.Org talks Destiny en So is it just a meh then? (reply) I'd like to hear from people here who liked or loved it.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168543 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168543 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:29:57 +0000 GamingCody Miller
First impressions (reply) 1. The default controls are quite bad. Controller ease is really bad. Turn it off.
2. The aiming doesn’t feel very good. Really strange considering Halo.
3. Can we stop with the tiny text?! WTF is up with this on so many games. Make it readable! Why is this even a problem. The icons in game are completely unreadable.
4. 6 minutes and no matches. Perhaps we have some trouble there to be worked out.

5. The game is… meh? Dunno just wasn't really feeling it. Being able to hover and fly everywhere kind of eliminates cool options for movement. You just kind of go where you want, instead of having to 'earn' it so to speak. Too much health and not enough weapon variety.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168245 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168245 Thu, 30 Jan 2020 04:55:48 +0000 GamingCody Miller
I wish I liked it more. (reply) It seems well-made, and I think it's a neat idea. I hope it's successful. I just don't think it's fun, unfortunately. Maybe more time would change that, but it's not likely to get more time from me.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168242 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168242 Thu, 30 Jan 2020 03:09:14 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
That's fair (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168208 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168208 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:02:25 +0000 GamingZackDark No (reply) I quite like the season model in theory.

The content provided however is nowhere even remotey close to that of an ExPac. Debatably it's not even really enough to fill out a season but YMMV heavily there.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168207 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168207 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:47:25 +0000 Gamingsomeotherguy
Really enjoying it so far (reply) It's small, but I figure it's fine. A campaign and some more maps might be enough to get me going here.

So far, rocking the samurai-themed crew has gotten me a lot more mileage than the others (healer a close second). Switching guns so they reload while you shoot the other one is neat!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168199 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168199 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:18:57 +0000 GamingZackDark
... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168197 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168197 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:15:06 +0000 GamingZackDark Thanks! (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168188 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168188 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 21:48:19 +0000 GamingcheapLEY Didn’t sign up for Disintegration Beta, or didn’t get email? (reply) Have at thee!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168185 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168185 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:17:02 +0000 GamingKorny
Ey. (reply)

You can just charge money upfront and still allow this to happen…


No. You. Can't.

They've mentioned that they thought about it, and the research showed that the bump in price needed to make up the difference was not palatable to the target audience.

You might pay it, but there aren't enough of you.

If you can remember or provide a link to this Id be quite interested.

And if that’s true, then it just supports my argument that expansion packs rather than f2p are superior! Expansion packs contain more content than equivalent f2p releases. So set theory says they can contain f2p content releases.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168178 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168178 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:29:36 +0000 GamingCody Miller
I dont think that's the point Cody was making at all (reply) I do like the joke though.

Edit: Never mind, I read further and apparently it was. And he was so close to having a really good argument

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168176 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168176 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:19:35 +0000 Gamingsomeotherguy
100% (reply) I said as much somewhere else in the thread. Increasing the price will have an unavoidable gatekeeping effect, though Destiny is a tad weird as its now F2P. While it makes sense to increase the price of games when compared to previous decade adjusted for inflation, it doesn't mean that said increase can be afforded by the income distribution or even accepted by those who can afford it.

It's basic Supply and Demand, Econ 101. It is obviously a more complex problem but its easy to understand at a high level.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168175 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168175 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:45:13 +0000 GamingEffortlessFury
Check again! (reply) They definitely rolled out in waves. Though I got mine around the time Cody got his, lots of people got way before, so maybe there are more waves?

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168174 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168174 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 11:41:44 +0000 GamingZackDark
Ey. (reply)

You can just charge money upfront and still allow this to happen…

No. You. Can't.

They've mentioned that they thought about it, and the research showed that the bump in price needed to make up the difference was not palatable to the target audience.

You might pay it, but there aren't enough of you.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168173 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168173 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 07:00:03 +0000 GamingClaude Errera
Ey. (reply)

Or am I missing something?


Only the reality of making modern video games, especially one as massive as Destiny, for a community as eager for content as the Destiny community is.

You can just charge money upfront and still allow this to happen…

If Bungie says that the Eververse is necessary to continue making content at the pace that they are, I believe them.

Have they actually said this? The funny thing is the 'content' doesn't seem as satisfying or substantial as in expansion drops.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168172 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168172 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 03:45:14 +0000 GamingCody Miller
Ey. (reply)

Or am I missing something?

Only the reality of making modern video games, especially one as massive as Destiny, for a community as eager for content as the Destiny community is.

I will always think we should take more money from the top of any big organization, and I have no idea what they pay scale at Bungie looks like, but I really doubt there's enough money there to make up for what the Eververse makes (and I could be totally wrong about that). And even if there is, I doubt it's enough money to really keep a studio as large as Bungie going for all that long.

If Bungie says that the Eververse is necessary to continue making content at the pace that they are, I believe them. I certainly would rather see another model with less frequent but more substantial content drops, but that's not what they're doing and doesn't really factor into the discussion such as it is.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168171 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168171 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 03:29:03 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
Ey. (reply)

What you can't do is tell those of us that are actually okay with the overall development arc that you know what's good for us better than we do. (That is what the quoted sentence above is trying to do.) I disagree with your premise that there is NO way that you can make a good game while offering the same content for free or by in-game play - I LIKE the fact that I have a choice, and I USE that choice occasionally for differing outcomes, depending on my at-the-time-current circumstance.

Take any given game with microtransactions that can be either bought or earned by playing. We make one change:

Every microtransaction now costs $0.00.

Let's leave aside that in such a circumstance frictions would no longer need to exist. Let's just pretend they are still there. In such a scenario, how is everyone not better off, or at least the same?

Those who want to skip playing the game can still 'buy' the item. But it doesn't cost them money. They are better off.
Those who want to 'earn' the items are still free to do so. They are no better or no worse off.
The earners who do it for fun can still do that with no impact to them.
The earners who do it for prestige are still dealing with people who just buy the item. They are in the same situation.

There is literally no downside to this artistically. It is better. Or am I missing something?

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168170 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168170 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 03:13:37 +0000 GamingCody Miller
One fan's appreciation (reply)

Cody strikes me as particularly Puritan at times—no food with the slightest taint of sin shall cross his lips. I’m more forgiving I guess (maybe because I'm not as pure as Cody?


Oh quite the opposite. You are far more pure than I am.

Ha.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168168 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168168 Tue, 28 Jan 2020 00:58:41 +0000 GamingKermit
Fingers crossed that not all the beta codes are distributed (reply) I haven't gotten one (yet).

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168166 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168166 Mon, 27 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0000 GamingClaude Errera
Ey. (reply)

ANY reason someone would have to want to pay to not play could be addressed for free by changing the game design. The point is not that people don’t have reasons - the point is the best solution never involves a micro transaction (and that often the reasons are themselves created by the micro transactions).

The real problem with that sentence is the word 'best'. Your 'best' is not the same as my 'best' is not the same as Bungie's 'best'.

You know how you want the game to work. You are not unique; there is a group of Destiny players who have roughly the same desires from their gameplay experience. Bungie (or some subset of Bungie that is responsible for some of the higher-level decisions) has almost certainly considered your particular collection of wants and needs, and decided that it they cannot satisfy all of them and still build the game they want to build.

You can accept that they don't want to make the game you want to play. (You don't, or you would have stopped discussing any of this stuff a long time ago.) You can try and convince them that they're making a mistake, and that they should change their strategy. (If that's what you think you're doing, I'd suggest that you have picked a pretty lousy place to do it; I don't think there are any Bungie employees who visit here any more. They can't hear you yelling from way over here.)

What you can't do is tell those of us that are actually okay with the overall development arc that you know what's good for us better than we do. (That is what the quoted sentence above is trying to do.) I disagree with your premise that there is NO way that you can make a good game while offering the same content for free or by in-game play - I LIKE the fact that I have a choice, and I USE that choice occasionally for differing outcomes, depending on my at-the-time-current circumstance. I do NOT consider the frictions you see as odious as a problem; in fact, most of the time I don't even notice them. That they exist at all is acceptable to me, at the level that I perceive them, because they provide me with options when I'm playing the game I enjoy playing.

In short: your viewpoint, while valid for you, is NOT universal, and my viewpoint is not a result of my blindness - it is simply a differing opinion. And it's as valid as yours.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168165 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=168165 Mon, 27 Jan 2020 23:16:45 +0000 GamingClaude Errera