And it was incidentally completed well before I had a specific need for that Lore. I guess maybe it doesn’t line up with the usual thirst that Invaders have.

Um... I'm hoping you're just a step behind, and still talking about Mote Thief, because if you got two Maximum Carnage medals without even trying, I'd be frightened to play against you.

For a while there, I was stuck trying to figure out how something like that could even be possible.

According to Braytech, 1.35% of the active playerbase has achieved it. :)

You've certainly put things in perspective. Mote Thief was a poorly executed idea...but you've shown me that there's MUCH worse. So I appreciate that, and I'm going to return to D2 with a much more relaxed approach.

Still won't buy Destiny 3 though.

Just out of curiosity, what does that mean for whatever Bungie does next? What if it’s not a FPS? I sort of assume they will try to support both Destiny and Matter simultaneously. Do you just stick with Destiny because you know it?

I realize that is basically impossible to answer in any real way. I guess I’m just curious if Bungie is the studio you make the exception for or if even that might not hold true.

Absolutely no way to answer that right now. I'll definitely keep an open mind; they get way more leeway than any other studio, that's for sure. But it's entirely possible i won't be playing ANY games when Matter launches. ;)

I realize that is basically impossible to answer in any real way. I guess I’m just curious if Bungie is the studio you make the exception for or if even that might not hold true.

Also, I think the bounties really don;t matter as much to the game as you imply, but then I don;t think the stuff in the season XP timeline is all that important.

Well Bungie thinks it’s worth $100.

Even discounting the season pass track (which I won’t, as I think that’s a massive part of what they’re actually selling people), you can’t engage with the one new event (the bunkers) at all without doing the bounties from them.

You can ignore bounties for Trials I guess.

Yeah, that's definitely the takeaway from my sarcasm.

I know how to play. I've played. (Played all four seasons of Walking Dead, for example.) I enjoyed them enough to finish them... a few years ago. But I didn't like the way that thinking about the controls took me out of the game.

That's because the walking dead actually has shit controls. It's not just you :-p I didn't last an hour when I tried it.

::sigh::

It was an example. I've played Journey. I've played Braid (not sure if you're counting puzzle games, I guess). A couple of years I went through all of the Myst games again, after they were released on Steam. And many, many more. My interest in trying new games has been waning for a while, though, and at this point, it's pretty close to gone.

Tried the Disintegration beta. Tried Apex Legends. Hell, I OWN Life is Strange, tried that, too. (For maybe 10 minutes.) I'm back to Destiny.

I like playing a game where I don't have to think about the controls, and where I have fun almost all of the time. Destiny scratches that itch well enough that I don't need to branch out. I'm good. Thanks for worrying about me, though. :)

Yeah, that's definitely the takeaway from my sarcasm.

I know how to play. I've played. (Played all four seasons of Walking Dead, for example.) I enjoyed them enough to finish them... a few years ago. But I didn't like the way that thinking about the controls took me out of the game.

That's because the walking dead actually has shit controls. It's not just you :-p I didn't last an hour when I tried it.

There are many games that are great that are not mechanically heavy. For instance, you already know the control scheme for say, Life is Strange. Left stick to move the character, right stick to move the camera. Your muscle memory carries over to tons of games. It's no work to learn.

I love it when you tell me how things are for me.

You've never played a third person game EVER?!

Yeah, that's definitely the takeaway from my sarcasm.

I know how to play. I've played. (Played all four seasons of Walking Dead, for example.) I enjoyed them enough to finish them... a few years ago. But I didn't like the way that thinking about the controls took me out of the game. And that got worse as time went forward. I'm at a point now where I simply don't care to pick up a new one.

Doesn't mean I CAN'T - means I find the added work overcomes the enjoyment of playing.

The idea that for you, it takes "no work to learn" might mean that for me, it takes "no work to learn" (or "to play") is absurd. I find it takes work, and the work reduces the enjoyment of playing enough that I don't care to do so. The fact that you can't simply accept that and move on blows my mind.

There are many games that are great that are not mechanically heavy. For instance, you already know the control scheme for say, Life is Strange. Left stick to move the character, right stick to move the camera. Your muscle memory carries over to tons of games. It's no work to learn.

I love it when you tell me how things are for me.

You've never played a third person game EVER?!

Still has the problem of requireing far too much time of pre-work before I can start playing though. I miss omniscient bounties from launch.

Also, I think the bounties really don;t matter as much to the game as you imply, but then I don;t think the stuff in the season XP timeline is all that important.

I've passed the stage in my life where I feel comfortable jumping between games regularly. For me, Destiny is pretty much it - getting into a new game, and learning that game's control scheme, is actually more work than I feel like doing.

There are many games that are great that are not mechanically heavy. For instance, you already know the control scheme for say, Life is Strange. Left stick to move the character, right stick to move the camera. Your muscle memory carries over to tons of games. It's no work to learn.

I love it when you tell me how things are for me.

Likewise it's weird you mention it as work. Learning new game systems, and going in knowing nothing and slowly gaining knowledge of the best techniques is one of the best parts of a game for me. The 'journey' is really fun.

Yep, used to like it. Don't like it any more.

I've passed the stage in my life where I feel comfortable jumping between games regularly. For me, Destiny is pretty much it - getting into a new game, and learning that game's control scheme, is actually more work than I feel like doing.

There are many games that are great that are not mechanically heavy. For instance, you already know the control scheme for say, Life is Strange. Left stick to move the character, right stick to move the camera. Your muscle memory carries over to tons of games. It's no work to learn.

Likewise it's weird you mention it as work. Learning new game systems, and going in knowing nothing and slowly gaining knowledge of the best techniques is one of the best parts of a game for me. The 'journey' is really fun.

Am I seriously the only one who thinks Mote Thief is unreasonable? If it were killing Guardians and picking up their dropped motes, that's one thing. But trying to find their computer enemies—your allies—waiting for the other team to kill them, grabbing the motes the opponents are usually right on top of, and then hoping to survive for the the next 10, 15, 20 seconds? That's not nuts to anybody else here?

I got this one by accident, but there are definitely Triumphs that strike me as nuts.

More nuts, or less nuts than your dreaded 2-for-1 in Halo 3?

I'm only angry about that because I EARNED IT, FAIR AND SQUARE (and have video to prove it), and didn't get it.