DBO Forums - O_o ... Wat? https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/ Bungie.Org talks Destiny en O_o ... Wat? (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170301 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170301 Sat, 30 May 2020 02:16:39 +0000 GamingINSANEdrive Insane might be a spam account (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170300 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170300 Sat, 30 May 2020 01:48:08 +0000 Gamingunoudid I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply) It’s on Game Pass!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170294 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170294 Fri, 29 May 2020 19:25:24 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

Journey is a good one that for sure makes my list.

So is The Tetris Effect. One of the most emotionally impacting games I’ve ever played.

I actually think lots of smaller games have an easier time clearing the bar.


I mean, I figured your use of capital A was going to reserved for seminal works of social, cultural, or intellectual importance.


Can it only get a capital A if a lot of people know about it?


I was going to say no, until I realized that Nier Automata somehow sold 4 million copies.

Kentucky Route Zero probably belongs on the Capital A for art list. It's essentially the great American novel of the digital age.

I've never heard of it. I'll have to check it out thanks!

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170293 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170293 Fri, 29 May 2020 18:35:42 +0000 GamingRobot Chickens
For Future Reference (reply) [Thread Link]

Wow, you go away for a few days and...

I skimmed the thread on Detroit/Crunch/Suffering/etc and it was quite fascinating.

Here's what I know. Creative projects that turn out great are the result of passion, vision, and focus. Most of the time there is some sort of crunch involved. Crunch can be good and it can be bad. Halo 2 was bad, but sort of in the same way the road building scene in Cool Hand Luke was bad. Somehow, regardless of the leadership screwups, the end result and camaraderie made it all worth it - even though it should have never happened and should never happen again.

I've never been a "suffering artist". Perhaps what I've made isn't fine art, but anything that I look back on fondly was made with passion, vision, and focus. There were times when I forgot where and when I was, which caused a bad balance in my life (might be considered suffering) but not really all that terrible. I've been married for almost 43 years (so far), have two great kids, and two grandchildren. There have been sacrifices made for my passion, but it hasn't really hurt all that badly.

Just about all Bungie problems were self-inflected wounds. I contributed at times, and at other times I was a target. Bad crunches are the result of bad internal management along with bad outside influences. Bungie didn't have a problem with shipping on deadlines. Bungie could stumble over managing the vision, which could lead to a lack of trust, and then - disaster.

It ain't easy, but it ain't all bad.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170291 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170291 Fri, 29 May 2020 18:25:14 +0000 GamingINSANEdrive
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

Journey is a good one that for sure makes my list.

So is The Tetris Effect. One of the most emotionally impacting games I’ve ever played.

I actually think lots of smaller games have an easier time clearing the bar.


I mean, I figured your use of capital A was going to reserved for seminal works of social, cultural, or intellectual importance.


Can it only get a capital A if a lot of people know about it?

I was going to say no, until I realized that Nier Automata somehow sold 4 million copies.

Kentucky Route Zero probably belongs on the Capital A for art list. It's essentially the great American novel of the digital age.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170285 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170285 Fri, 29 May 2020 01:42:00 +0000 GamingCody Miller
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

Journey is a good one that for sure makes my list.

So is The Tetris Effect. One of the most emotionally impacting games I’ve ever played.

I actually think lots of smaller games have an easier time clearing the bar.


I mean, I figured your use of capital A was going to reserved for seminal works of social, cultural, or intellectual importance.

Can it only get a capital A if a lot of people know about it?

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170284 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170284 Fri, 29 May 2020 01:31:44 +0000 GamingRobot Chickens
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

Journey is a good one that for sure makes my list.

So is The Tetris Effect. One of the most emotionally impacting games I’ve ever played.

I actually think lots of smaller games have an easier time clearing the bar.

I mean, I figured your use of capital A was going to reserved for seminal works of social, cultural, or intellectual importance.

Part of the problem is that we interface with video games very differently than "traditional" art. Notice how the greatest game of all time, Deus Ex, was not something I listed as Capital A Art.

Maybe it is, I don't know. They did put Clerks in the national film registry this past year.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170283 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170283 Fri, 29 May 2020 01:06:53 +0000 GamingCody Miller
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

I do think it's capital A art, but it's more of a poem than a novel, like The Last of Us. The latter was the first game to really clear that bar for me.


Who reads poetry anymore :-p


The sales record for poetry by a Canadian author is like 1100 copies. So to answer your question... not many people XD

Maybe Canadians just aren't good at poetry...

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170282 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170282 Fri, 29 May 2020 00:37:35 +0000 GamingRobot Chickens
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply) Journey is a good one that for sure makes my list.

So is The Tetris Effect. One of the most emotionally impacting games I’ve ever played.

I actually think lots of smaller games have an easier time clearing the bar.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170281 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170281 Fri, 29 May 2020 00:19:34 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

I do think it's capital A art, but it's more of a poem than a novel, like The Last of Us. The latter was the first game to really clear that bar for me.


Who reads poetry anymore :-p

The sales record for poetry by a Canadian author is like 1100 copies. So to answer your question... not many people XD

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170279 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170279 Fri, 29 May 2020 00:16:03 +0000 GamingCruelLEGACEY
O_O... >_>... ._. (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170277 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170277 Thu, 28 May 2020 21:28:42 +0000 GamingINSANEdrive You are insufferable *IMG* (reply)

and part of an artist's job is to transfigure suffering.


I don't think so at all. An artist's job is to create something that gives pleasure. Are you saying a piece of art, that discovers, reminds or reaffirms some beauty in this world is not art?!

An artists job is create something that imparts something to the receiver. It doesn't have to be just pleasure. It could be insight, pain, joy, or anything really.


These things are ultimately pleasurable. Why do people go see scary movies? Or read sad books? Or look at grotesque paintings? We enjoy the negative feelings through proxy.


https://youtu.be/xjVgKG465F8?t=61


Does that mean I can't be an artist? :-p

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170276 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170276 Thu, 28 May 2020 21:15:55 +0000 GamingPyromancy
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply)

I do think it's capital A art, but it's more of a poem than a novel, like The Last of Us. The latter was the first game to really clear that bar for me.

Who reads poetry anymore :-p

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170275 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170275 Thu, 28 May 2020 20:45:53 +0000 GamingCody Miller
I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) (reply) I do think it's capital A art, but it's more of a poem than a novel, like The Last of Us. The latter was the first game to really clear that bar for me.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170274 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170274 Thu, 28 May 2020 20:35:30 +0000 GamingKermit
On the Value of Art (reply) Yeah, I think that’s probably right. Never played MGS2, but the other two games for sure.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170272 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170272 Thu, 28 May 2020 17:00:39 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
On the Value of Art (reply)

I think they can be, but I actually don’t think very many of them really clear that bar for me. I don’t think Destiny is. Most games certainly have artistic aspects, but very few are actual capital A Art.

If I get what you mean when you say Capital A Art, then I'd say three:

Metal gear Solid 2
Death Stranding
Nier Automata

If you are going for A- art then the list is in the dozens, possibly hundreds.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170271 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170271 Thu, 28 May 2020 16:36:36 +0000 GamingCody Miller
On the Value of Art (reply) That aligns with my thoughts pretty closely. Games are commercial products first and foremost. Lots of art is commercial though. I think, for whatever reason, it’s more difficult for games to bridge that gap, for me. Destiny doesn’t, I don’t think, while The Last of Us does. It is tricky to nail down.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170269 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170269 Thu, 28 May 2020 16:26:34 +0000 GamingcheapLEY
On the Value of Art (reply)

I’m curious. Do you think video games are art?

I think they can be, but I actually don’t think very many of them really clear that bar for me. I don’t think Destiny is. Most games certainly have artistic aspects, but very few are actual capital A Art.

I think that if I simply it down to the bare bones, yes, video games are (or at a minimum can be) art.

Perhaps the creator's intent needs to be considered as well? The bigger/more complex/more commercial games and movies get, the harder it is for me to define THE THING as art, versus PIECES OF THE THING as art.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170268 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170268 Thu, 28 May 2020 16:17:43 +0000 Gamingbreitzen
On the Value of Art (reply) I’m curious. Do you think video games are art?

I think they can be, but I actually don’t think very many of them really clear that bar for me. I don’t think Destiny is. Most games certainly have artistic aspects, but very few are actual capital A Art.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170267 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=170267 Thu, 28 May 2020 15:34:02 +0000 GamingcheapLEY