Didn't want to incite any debates or ill will. It is what it is :)
just not an arg :P

and yep, I know *NM* means nothing now, heh

I didn't think anything was coming until last week, when the ARG started. And it was a pretty simple, short, straightforward ARG (and to please thebruce, not an ARG at all really, heh). And for a bit I thought the ARG was going to be the reward in itself. We got a bunch of mysterious clues and a sample of music. Pretty neat stuff!

LOL! I read this right after I post my mini-rant about it not being an ARG. haha, you know me too well :P

There was a 5-day ramp-up to this reveal. You heard NOTHING from them before last Tuesday... and then you were presented with a fun (but not particularly complicated) mini-ARG.

Also, it wasn't an ARG* :P

* not in the traditional sense at least, nor arguably in a common sense; labeling it "ARG" could also be used as a reason why it was hyped more. 'OMG ARG! Ilovebees! Iris! Big reveal!' -- It was a series of web-based puzzles revealing poetic and cryptic themed exposition about the game's universe.
/mini-rant

The amount of TF2 I play is directly related to the moment I discovered you could use the XBOX 360 controller.

Remind me not to post that fact on RPS. ;)

But seriously, I know I'm just one guy and therefore not statistically significant, but I remember thinking 'gotta play TF2 with mouse and keyboard - it's better!' before my brain kicked me in the butt with, 'Who cares? You don't like it.'

Dogma is a real problem out there.

I hear you. As a Mac fan-- who also spent a lot of time in the mouse/keyboard argument before Halo's release-- I've been a victim of it as well.

lol - they're not selling t-shirts for them. You can't buy a Seven Seraphs shirt.

Ah right, I didn't realise that. I must have confused it for one of the various other Destiny t-shirts they were selling prior to announcing they were working on a game called Destiny.

The puzzle released last week was hype. Jonty Barnes showing up in a Seven Seraphs shirt for a ping-pong game with the Penny Arcade crew is NOT hype.

We don't even know what the Seven Seraphs are, they're selling t-shirts for them, and you don't think this is hype? I think our definitions of that word differ somewhat.

lol - they're not selling t-shirts for them. You can't buy a Seven Seraphs shirt.

But yeah, we clearly have different definitions of hype.

You should read the Matt Soell article currently on the front page. It sums up my feelings on the subject really nicely - Matt is, and always has been, a better writer than I am.

The puzzle released last week was hype. Jonty Barnes showing up in a Seven Seraphs shirt for a ping-pong game with the Penny Arcade crew is NOT hype.

We don't even know what the Seven Seraphs are, they're selling t-shirts for them, and you don't think this is hype? I think our definitions of that word differ somewhat.

Wait, really?

There was a 5-day ramp-up to this reveal. You heard NOTHING from them before last Tuesday...

Oh, come on. You can't say that with a straight face to anyone who's been remotely paying attention, here of all places. We knew Bungie was working on a game called Destiny at least two years ago. The hints were there even longer, but they were certainly nodding and winking to the fans with their O Brave New World ViDoc 18 months ago. This reveal has been a long time coming.

Now you're being disingenuous.

I was responding to Ibeechu's complaint that the ramp-up of hype didn't justify Sunday's reveal - and you respond that t-shirt sightings and in-game posters that could mean ANYTHING should be considered developer hype?

Now it's ME rolling my eyes.

The puzzle released last week was hype. Jonty Barnes showing up in a Seven Seraphs shirt for a ping-pong game with the Penny Arcade crew is NOT hype.

Please point out the 'hype' you're talking about, the 'hype' generated by Bungie that culminated in Sunday's reveal. Thanks.

A ViDoc was what I expected at most. I imagine it could have been less, and if there hadn't been an uncharacteristic flow of leaks, we might not even have gotten that.

Before Halo's announcement I think the only thing that had leaked was the title-- and Bungie wasn't even happy about that.

Halo 4's reveal said absolutely... nothing. We had to wait to see Halo again, but then it was a gameplay demo. It was annoying, but not confusing - there was a clear separation between when we knew something, and when we didn't

I feel like what made the Vidoc disorienting was that it was somewhere in-between. The plot information was about right, but the gameplay aspect was talked about, but not in a way where we could really understand what they meant.

I'm not complaining about getting more information (and I enjoyed the Vidoc), but it felt a little off to me, too.

Wait, really?

There was a 5-day ramp-up to this reveal. You heard NOTHING from them before last Tuesday...

Oh, come on. You can't say that with a straight face to anyone who's been remotely paying attention, here of all places. We knew Bungie was working on a game called Destiny at least two years ago. The hints were there even longer, but they were certainly nodding and winking to the fans with their O Brave New World ViDoc 18 months ago. This reveal has been a long time coming.

Listen, the point is we're not upset about the amount of information they released. It's about how much they released in context to how they've been ramping up.

Here's my summed argument (or beef rather. I'm not really arguing that you guys should feel this way. Just explaining why I and others do): Building hype is great. Teases are great. But building hype for a tease is an oxymoron, and unfortunately it's always been Bungie's MO.

I didn't think anything was coming until last week, when the ARG started. And it was a pretty simple, short, straightforward ARG (and to please thebruce, not an ARG at all really, heh). And for a bit I thought the ARG was going to be the reward in itself. We got a bunch of mysterious clues and a sample of music. Pretty neat stuff!

And then bam, we got a bunch of beautiful concept art that revealed a lot more about Destiny's setting. I thought THAT had to be it.

And then we got a ViDoc - and not just one that looked behind the scenes, but one with motion-altered concept art and a narrator setting up the premise of the game.

And, most surprisingly to me, we got in-game footage

Rarely do we see that with any first announcement for a game, and moreso its the first time I've ever seen Bungie do that while I've been a fan the last decade.

Listen, the point is we're not upset about the amount of information they released. It's about how much they released in context to how they've been ramping up.

Wait, really?

There was a 5-day ramp-up to this reveal. You heard NOTHING from them before last Tuesday... and then you were presented with a fun (but not particularly complicated) mini-ARG.

To use your own analogy, it's as though you're assuming that the date you're on is going to put out because you can see a little cleavage over the dinner table. It's YOU who are misjudging... not Bungie.

It's like some people want to have their hand held through some miracle of constant ecstasy from the cradle to the grave.

You have somewhat missed the point. This is not about griping because a person wished to see more than that which was shown. It is about whether what was shown did a good enoigh job of communicating the central points of the game such that there isn't any unhelpful and incorrect speculation in the absence of assertions to the contrary.

I speaking more generally at that point - apologies for any offense.

I'm still reading the thread, so maybe this has already been answered by you or someone else, but what's wrong with unhelpful or incorrect speculation? There is typically a lot of that with Bungie, and I think we're smart enough to move on once we know what is and isn't correct.

Remind me not to post that fact on RPS. ;)

But seriously, I know I'm just one guy and therefore not statistically significant, but I remember thinking 'gotta play TF2 with mouse and keyboard - it's better!' before my brain kicked me in the butt with, 'Who cares? You don't like it.'

Dogma is a real problem out there.

Here's my summed argument (or beef rather. I'm not really arguing that you guys should feel this way. Just explaining why I and others do): Building hype is great. Teases are great. But building hype for a tease is an oxymoron, and unfortunately it's always been Bungie's MO.

Absolutely.

But this situation is more like if your friend built her up as a girl that'll put out after a week, and after a week all she does is hold your hand.

But what if we took what our friend said with a grain of salt, knowing that he wasn't actually in a relationship her yet; so everything he says is hearsay, essentially. Perhaps his words increase hope (though, I'd prefer her to hold my hand instead of put out :P), and expectations remain consistent with we actually know of her. I wouldn't necessarily put weight on what my friend says about a girl; it might influence my opinion of her, but I would set any expectations on that... but that's just me.

We're still talking about Destiny, right?