DBO Forums - This^ https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/ Bungie.Org talks Destiny en This^ (reply) I haven't played much of the new content, but I thought that was a cool moment.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175408 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175408 Fri, 14 May 2021 19:53:04 +0000 DestinyKermit
How many y'all... (reply) Actually, I tried to go back up the way I came...lol didn't realize there was a slope heading upwards back to the ground.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175407 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175407 Fri, 14 May 2021 19:05:01 +0000 DestinyMorpheus
How many y'all... (reply)

During the opening mission, after hearing Mithrax message, then seeing the crashed skiff off in the distance...

How many y'all just jumped right out and fell to their death? (raises hand)

I was very close, but I'm a hunter and abandoned that course with my triple jump in time.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175377 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175377 Wed, 12 May 2021 18:02:32 +0000 DestinyRobot Chickens
How many y'all... (reply) During the opening mission, after hearing Mithrax message, then seeing the crashed skiff off in the distance...

How many y'all just jumped right out and fell to their death? (raises hand)

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175376 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175376 Wed, 12 May 2021 17:58:56 +0000 DestinyManKitten
Saladin all up in here (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175362 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175362 Tue, 11 May 2021 03:38:01 +0000 Destinykidtsunami Fallen Babys. (reply)

This is a race dedicated to our extinction. I'm with you; kill 'em all.

Uhhhh... well that escalated quickly. I wasn't condoning infanticide. I was simply thinking out loud my bewilderment to the insta-Awwwing that exploded onto the internet for what is basically swaddled glowing eyes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175361 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175361 Tue, 11 May 2021 00:59:12 +0000 DestinyINSANEdrive
Fallen Babys. (reply) This is a race dedicated to our extinction. I'm with you; kill 'em all.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175360 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175360 Mon, 10 May 2021 23:10:29 +0000 DestinyChappy
Fixed. (reply)

I do hate KackisHD, though, fuck that guy.

OMG, I totally agree! What are the odds! ;D

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175358 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175358 Fri, 07 May 2021 23:00:14 +0000 DestinyINSANEdrive
Well that was fast... (reply)

I think Bungie saw how negative feedback from streamers could (did?) hurt them, and they've been courting that vote ever since.

Feedback based on making the game be a better game for streaming. That's where it's misguided to just listen to them.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175357 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175357 Fri, 07 May 2021 21:02:51 +0000 DestinyCody Miller
Well that was fast... (reply)

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.


To your second point, if you look at whom they invited from the community to look at Warmind… it was streamers mostly. I do think it's not a fiction, but of course you are right and we may not be seeing the whole picture.

But the real crux is that a game that's good for streamers is not necessarily a game good for players. Streaming is a very specific niche, and they want certain things out of their games. They need a game they can play a lot, and often, that people will want to watch them play. Certain things are better for streaming than others. The biggest is actually required time investment. If they can get things through time investment most people can't, that draws in viewers who want to see them get or do that thing.

I'll never forget when Datto said he "didn't feel like Destiny was respecting his time". His solution? More Grind. Not less. This perfectly illustrates the difference in mentality.

Generally, I see two types of streamers. Those who have a good personality and add humor or insight to playthroughs, or those who are highly skilled or decorated who people watch to see things they can't yet do or acquire. Most often, changes to loot based or MMO games to appeal to the second group are bad for the game in general (since they generally focus on increasing the required time investment), while for things like FPS, Fighting, or RTS/MOBA they can improve the game for everyone since it's about depth and skill ceiling.

You didn't explicitly mention that streamers have become a big part of Bungie's marketing engine, and I don't think it was planned at all. I think Bungie saw how negative feedback from streamers could (did?) hurt them, and they've been courting that vote ever since.

And you see other developers courting that vote, trying to convert streamers to an upcoming release, much like sports teams trying to recruit star players.

We end up with more games intended to be lifestyles. I don't begrudge anyone who likes this change. I wish I had more time for it myself.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175356 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175356 Fri, 07 May 2021 20:26:35 +0000 DestinyKermit
Well that was fast... (reply)

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

To your second point, if you look at whom they invited from the community to look at Warmind… it was streamers mostly. I do think it's not a fiction, but of course you are right and we may not be seeing the whole picture.

But the real crux is that a game that's good for streamers is not necessarily a game good for players. Streaming is a very specific niche, and they want certain things out of their games. They need a game they can play a lot, and often, that people will want to watch them play. Certain things are better for streaming than others. The biggest is actually required time investment. If they can get things through time investment most people can't, that draws in viewers who want to see them get or do that thing.

I'll never forget when Datto said he "didn't feel like Destiny was respecting his time". His solution? More Grind. Not less. This perfectly illustrates the difference in mentality.

Generally, I see two types of streamers. Those who have a good personality and add humor or insight to playthroughs, or those who are highly skilled or decorated who people watch to see things they can't yet do or acquire. Most often, changes to loot based or MMO games to appeal to the second group are bad for the game in general (since they generally focus on increasing the required time investment), while for things like FPS, Fighting, or RTS/MOBA they can improve the game for everyone since it's about depth and skill ceiling.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175355 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175355 Fri, 07 May 2021 18:42:34 +0000 DestinyCody Miller
I have an irrationally strong reaction to this image (reply)

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.


You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...


I don’t hate streamers in general. Shit, I just got hit pretty hard this week finding out that three of the founding members of Giant Bomb are leaving the site, and they were mostly just streamers that had a connection to old games media. I watch plenty of people play Bloodborne and Dark Souls.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

I do hate Datto, though, fuck that guy.

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Whenever I see it my blood pressure increases...

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175354 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175354 Fri, 07 May 2021 17:59:35 +0000 Destinykidtsunami
Well that was fast... (reply)

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.


You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...

I don’t hate streamers in general. Shit, I just got hit pretty hard this week finding out that three of the founding members of Giant Bomb are leaving the site, and they were mostly just streamers that had a connection to old games media. I watch plenty of people play Bloodborne and Dark Souls.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

I do hate Datto, though, fuck that guy.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175353 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175353 Fri, 07 May 2021 17:42:45 +0000 DestinycheapLEY
I Don't Like That. (reply) Ikora didn't do anything because Bungie didn't give her anything to do. In the spirit of helping alleviate FOMO and to mollify the fans that "we're listening", all players are no longer allowed to play anything not in the endgame ever again. Bungie's "advancing the plot" with this seasonal stuff, but they're not advancing the plot. Two years, almost three, and you still haven't found a VO to introduce as the new Hunter Vanguard? Or hell, even found an old VO? "No Hunter wants to take his place"? Give me a break. By that logic, they should just fire literally everyone but Lance.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175352 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175352 Fri, 07 May 2021 16:58:19 +0000 DestinyMorpheus
Well that was fast... (reply)

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.

You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175351 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175351 Fri, 07 May 2021 16:46:04 +0000 DestinySpeedracer513
“Live. Laugh. Love.” (reply)

Oh jesus christ. What’s the “Live. Laugh. Love.” of the Destiny universe?

Eververse. Eververse. Than one more time, but I'm afraid what might happen if I do.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175344 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175344 Thu, 06 May 2021 03:20:29 +0000 DestinyINSANEdrive
I had the same sad thought. (reply)

It’s a bummer, but I honestly find it sort of exciting. If it means they get replaced with actors that are more available so that those characters can actually take part in the story, that’s only a good thing. I love Zavala, but I’m kind of tired of him being the person I have to talk to for everything all the time because he’s the only one they can get to record new lines. Ikora has been standing on that wrinkled rug (seriously, what the fuck, take a little pride in your little space and straighten that damn thing out) doing absolutely nothing for entirely too long.

I hope, for the firefly alumni, that busyness is the reason, and agree that that would be good if it meant more cutscenes and story-telling. I'd prefer the latter AND the Firefly cast.

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175343 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175343 Wed, 05 May 2021 21:31:13 +0000 DestinyKermit
Dance, Laugh, Shoot (reply) https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175342 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175342 Wed, 05 May 2021 20:37:18 +0000 DestinyZackDark I had the same sad thought. (reply)

Oh jesus christ. What’s the “Live. Laugh. Love.” of the Destiny universe?

"Shard. Super. Shoot."

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175341 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175341 Wed, 05 May 2021 20:21:57 +0000 Destinysquidnh3
I had the same sad thought. (reply) Oh jesus christ. What’s the “Live. Laugh. Love.” of the Destiny universe?

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https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175340 https://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=175340 Wed, 05 May 2021 20:17:53 +0000 DestinycheapLEY