...was it was taken to the slaughter in the reviews. Friends I told about it seemed vexed it was good due to hearing purely bad things in the ether. I probably enjoy this one more than Arkham City, and I loved Arkham City.

Right there with ya bud. I was hesitant about picking this up initially because of reviews. I am very glad I got it.

Very much get your hands on that game, I don't care how. It is wonderful.

Having had what I consider a significant enough amount of time with the game and having progressed enough through the story, I will absolutely second this. The story, the amount of content, the size of the game itself, all of them are wonderful. I may have some gripes with the combat system sometimes (probably my own fault :P) but overall I think this is a great game and an excellent addition to the Arkham series.

(Cool - Chrome knows how to spell Gotham)

It's been a nickname for NYC since the early 1800s, you know.

Once again I will be the scourge of Gotham. (Cool - Chrome knows how to spell Gotham)

My other rant is that most roof tops have machine gunners on them and that really gets in the way of rapid travel. You set a waypoint - head off in that direction and run into a nest of machine gunners or occasional snipers - grrr... You have to use bat vision to scan for them or just run past and hope they don't get too many hits. The later parts of all the batman games suffer from this. I want to travel quickly to complete a specific objective; I don't want to clear each rooftop on my way from A to B.

How do you stop batman leaping straight onto a roof when he (batclaws? bat grapples?) from below? You used to be able to hang on and ledge takedown. Now you spring onto the roof in plain view of three guys with guns. Ta Dah! (oh shit) :-) Is the problem down to having small stone walls around most roofs? Will he automatically mount them because they are walls?

"I can't seem to do it right, if I press Y too fast, it fails, I mash too slow, it fails, I time it, it fails. It's gotten to the point where I just jump over them ..."

Looks like I'm not the only one frustrated by it.

Will try it tomorrow.

Sorry for posting here first - it was just something that occurred to me when I saw the batman post.

Of course if the consensus on google is wrong then please let me know or I will be stuck trying a failed move for ages.

Does this happen to you guys as well?

Am I doing it wrong? How do you guys do it?

I've given up on it and just jump over and hit from behind.

All the other moves work as advertised - it's just that one that doesn't work for me.

Help. :-)

But is there an achievement that takes a year to complete?

That's the real question.

I may have cheated that one when I played Arkham City...

That's the real question.