lol that thing where you call a statement about multiple posters completely untrue based on your own single individual post pre-H4. Word.

There's actually been quite a sum of posts complaining about the lack of campaign theater at HBO over the last year and a half, as well as posts full of hope when it was speculated as a patch, and then more sad remarks when it was confirmed it wasn't happening. :)

And I've mentioned personally numerous times that even if I had wanted to make a Halo 4 related comic, without a campaign theater for reference it wouldn't have happened, as it was vital to Fistful of Arrows' creation.

I'd love for it to be in Destiny, but I understand if they need to get their boots on the ground first and spend all their resources nailing the core game.

lol that thing where you call a statement about multiple posters completely untrue based on your own single individual post pre-H4. Word.

lol, there are multiple posters in the thread I linked to, friend. I thought I'd link to mine since I've been among the most vocal here.

But okay, to say "completely" may have been an overstatement.

Although I'm certainly capable of contradicting myself, I've been very consistent about my desire for theater mode in campaign. It came up quite a bit before and after the launch of Halo 4, and it's one of the biggest reasons I was disappointed with the game. 343 improved on what they knew they could improve--the graphics, but in the process compromised object permanence and theater mode (which became problematic in campaign where every resource was focused on making everything look good seven feet off the ground in the playable space).

lol that thing where you call a statement about multiple posters completely untrue based on your own single individual post pre-H4. Word.

Hey remember when Hedge said he wasn't going to buy Halo 4 because it didn't have campaign theater?

I find it funny that in Halo 4, the maps were god awful terrible, but community maps really, really improved the game. I also find it funny how badly people are pushing in this thread for theater in Destiny when they were either okay or very, very silent with its gutting in H4. But whatever.

Completely untrue.

http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive39.pl?read=1159607

I always like real maps better than community maps. And I hate that there seems to be this "I'm right you're wrong" thing surrounding Forge and Theater. We all want them both. Can't we keep it at that?

That's exactly what I'm getting at. Real maps and game worlds are great, but sometimes community things really, really shine and improve a game substantially. Theater, especially with how I was able to utilize it in H3 and Reach, is also so important and great that it just can't be stated enough. To disregard either, in my opinion, is so unbelievably foolish.

Edit elaboration: When I say to disregard either, I'm not talking about Bungie. I'm talking about the "I'm right you're wrong" thing going on here. Bungie's gonna do what they're gonna do and I guess that's that as far as either of these features go, though hopefully they'll listen to the love and demand for both and provide the supply.

Oh and by the way, what do people use to build those Machinima sets?

Forge. My favorite thing makes yours better.

Machinima series like Playtime rely on Forge to the extent that I would say they wouldn't have existed without it.

:P

Point taken. I want both, but here's the thing: I see theater mode as requiring less effort, and it's in danger of being displaced by the capturing features built into the new consoles. I would view Bungie not including it as an ominous sign going forward.

Forge requires more development to create the tools and the spaces in which to use the tools. I want it, but not at the expense of theater, which again, creates more content that generates interest in the game. You've turned forging into an art, and I love that stuff. On the other hand, I love being a war photographer. I loved creating multimedia write-ups of community events. I loved creating a comic book. I wouldn't have had those experiences without theater mode.

EDIT: I hit submit too soon.

It is silly, but I don't know what people expect from me when they say this stuff :P

I mean, nothing is ever silly enough for the internet to simply drop it. :p

That being said, I, sadly, have a lot more time available to watch videos of than to actually play games, so I'd vote for Theater if it came to that.

I was never attempting to debate personal preference--I hope people got that.

It is silly, but I don't know what people expect from me when they say this stuff :P

I mean, nothing is ever silly enough for the internet to simply drop it. :p

That being said, I, sadly, have a lot more time available to watch videos of than to actually play games, so I'd vote for Theater if it came to that.

I like Forge, but not at the expense of a more focused game.

I'm with you on this.

Theater mode, however, is a different matter.

Yes, between the two, I think Theater is more important.

I think we can all agree on that.

You thought wrong. Forge adds content, INFINITE content, while Theater simply allows you another method of digesting existing content. I accept that certain people may find Theater more important to their personal method of consumption, but I can't see how someone can say Forge is less important overall.

In my experience with Reach, a lot of that "infinite" content was utter crap, and its implementation soured me on the entire game. Have that again for Destiny? Lol no thanks.

Should YouTube cease to exist because most of its "infinite" content is utter crap?

YouTube wasn't implemented into Reach matchmaking. No one makes you watch the crap in order to use the service, especially the parts of the service you paid for.

That aside, maybe.

Hey, I'm with you--I distinctly remember playing traditional multiplayer in Halo: Reach and wishing there was a playlist that only featured developer maps.

That's not Forge's fault. The solution for that is not to remove Forge.

Yeah, I see now, and agree. My problem was the implementation, not Forge itself. And you and Bones have created some of my favorite Reach experiences.

I'd say a more convincing argument for me is that it allows folks like you to have fun, make some cool stuff, and also gives folks a Minecraft like play space to just do whatevers.

Sometimes I read the YouTube comments and think that it should cease to exist, for the sake of humanity.

I think the argument over which is more important is silly. They're both great things for different reasons.

Right now I hope Bungie is working on making the core game the best it can be. After that, they can spend more time polishing these other features. Since they've already got the engine and tools ready for the next 10 years, hopefully they can devote more resources and time after Destiny launches.

It is silly, but I don't know what people expect from me when they say this stuff :P

I like Forge, but not at the expense of a more focused game.

I'm with you on this.

Theater mode, however, is a different matter.

Yes, between the two, I think Theater is more important.

I think we can all agree on that.

You thought wrong. Forge adds content, INFINITE content, while Theater simply allows you another method of digesting existing content. I accept that certain people may find Theater more important to their personal method of consumption, but I can't see how someone can say Forge is less important overall.

In my experience with Reach, a lot of that "infinite" content was utter crap, and its implementation soured me on the entire game. Have that again for Destiny? Lol no thanks.

Should YouTube cease to exist because most of its "infinite" content is utter crap?

YouTube wasn't implemented into Reach matchmaking. No one makes you watch the crap in order to use the service, especially the parts of the service you paid for.

That aside, maybe.

Hey, I'm with you--I distinctly remember playing traditional multiplayer in Halo: Reach and wishing there was a playlist that only featured developer maps.

That's not Forge's fault. The solution for that is not to remove Forge.

I think the argument over which is more important is silly. They're both great things for different reasons.

Right now I hope Bungie is working on making the core game the best it can be. After that, they can spend more time polishing these other features. Since they've already got the engine and tools ready for the next 10 years, hopefully they can devote more resources and time after Destiny launches.

I like Forge, but not at the expense of a more focused game.

I'm with you on this.

Theater mode, however, is a different matter.

Yes, between the two, I think Theater is more important.

I think we can all agree on that.

You thought wrong. Forge adds content, INFINITE content, while Theater simply allows you another method of digesting existing content. I accept that certain people may find Theater more important to their personal method of consumption, but I can't see how someone can say Forge is less important overall.

In my experience with Reach, a lot of that "infinite" content was utter crap, and its implementation soured me on the entire game. Have that again for Destiny? Lol no thanks.

Should YouTube cease to exist because most of its "infinite" content is utter crap?

YouTube wasn't implemented into Reach matchmaking. No one makes you watch the crap in order to use the service, especially the parts of the service you paid for.

That aside, maybe.