Let's see... I can get mad at Blizzard for not being willing to buy enough bandwidth to distribute new games to millions of people (when that bandwidth is really only needed at launch)... or I can participate in the solution by being part of a PTP network that distributes the game to everyone with a much smaller load on any one source (and gets me the final product quicker, to boot!). I'm gonna assume that users have SOME control over the client (as they would with any standard bittorrent client), so that nobody with a bandwidth cap gets totally hosed by serving up terabytes of someone else's game. If that assumption is wrong, I guess you have a point... but if it's not, you're being awfully petty.

On the old ones at least you could turn off peer downloading so you were JUST downloading from Blizzard.

Blizzard does this, funnily enough; their app downloader is also a BitTorrent client. Seems like a sensible approach if you ask me.

Other than the fact that Blizzard is using your connection to distribute their games without paying you for it, yeah. Totally sensible.

Really? That's gonna be the line you draw?

Let's see... I can get mad at Blizzard for not being willing to buy enough bandwidth to distribute new games to millions of people (when that bandwidth is really only needed at launch)... or I can participate in the solution by being part of a PTP network that distributes the game to everyone with a much smaller load on any one source (and gets me the final product quicker, to boot!). I'm gonna assume that users have SOME control over the client (as they would with any standard bittorrent client), so that nobody with a bandwidth cap gets totally hosed by serving up terabytes of someone else's game. If that assumption is wrong, I guess you have a point... but if it's not, you're being awfully petty.

Blizzard does this, funnily enough; their app downloader is also a BitTorrent client. Seems like a sensible approach if you ask me.

Other than the fact that Blizzard is using your connection to distribute their games without paying you for it, yeah. Totally sensible.

Then I played until I couldn't keep my eyes open.

So other than some PS4 UI issue, perfect experience! Could have been playing a few hours earlier than I did but otherwise for me personally, a better 1st day of an online title than I've had in a looooooong time.

Matchmaking was way faster than Alpha. Not as much pass-through traffic as I had in Alpha which made the public events impossible, but hey, BETA!!!!!!!!!

Because those of us that pre'd up on PSN get error CE-34632-8.

So it dosn't matter.

If you're in the EU, try "Restore Licenses" in the PS4 settings and "Make This PS4 Primary". It's supposedly worked for a lot of people. Still, I don't know why only EU PSN peeps were able to preload the Beta. I tried the workaround, had the whole thing preloaded since last night, but just ended up with a locked Destiny Beta tile that refused to verify the license.

I finally got through to the PSN store and started the regular download. So now I have two Betas. -_-

Because those of us that pre'd up on PSN get error CE-34632-8.

So it dosn't matter.

I just wish the Kerbal update was here for me to pass the time with...

Sort it out Bungie/Activision/Sony. And thanks for not doing this on the actual launch day! Hope you get paid for overtime!

Anyone else have fond memories of playing 4p co-op Halo 3 at launch? No issues! No dedicated servers but still. Does this mean Destiny is bigger than Halo 3 or that Sony has never had any experience with this kind of online launch before?

That's the biggest reason i haven't been at all interested in a Sony machine since the wonderful PS2 - their online MP UI has been consistently terrible over the years, and with the track record that PS+ has had it doesn't surprise me that they're having issues with a Beta this big.

And I stand by it. Seems to be a sign in issue and Halo 3 would have still had that issue day 1. And even if you need servers just to enter an unpopulated single player tutorial area it doesn't explain why the client itself does not start.

I don't remember Reach, but I would have been hitting the SP hard at first).

We cannot even start the game! http://www.twitch.tv/Drift0r and all sorts of others can though.

Not having a go at them, but the only pat on the back they have earned is that this is happening in Beta and not launch (I hope!).

Also WTF is up with nobody else getting pre-loads except PSN people? (Not that it helped).

Also anyone remember the first day of the Halo Reach beta?

I remember I got to play it!

Anyone else have fond memories of playing 4p co-op Halo 3 at launch? No issues! No dedicated servers but still.

Why are we comparing a non-always-online full game launch to an always-online beta launch? Also anyone remember the first day of the Halo Reach beta?

Dress it up all you like, what matters is whether they succeeded. The obvious answer is no, they didn't.

Uh... go reread my post and tell me how I was "dressing it up." Being unwilling is a SLIGHT towards the way most people deal with networking not a defense.

By ‘dress it up all you like’ I don't mean you specifically — I mean anyone who might seek to explain it away. The only thing that matters is whether or not they succeeded. Everything else is a supplementary detail.

So it dosn't matter.

I just wish the Kerbal update was here for me to pass the time with...

Sort it out Bungie/Activision/Sony. And thanks for not doing this on the actual launch day! Hope you get paid for overtime!

Anyone else have fond memories of playing 4p co-op Halo 3 at launch? No issues! No dedicated servers but still. Does this mean Destiny is bigger than Halo 3 or that Sony has never had any experience with this kind of online launch before?

Why was it they didn't want people to preload this again?

Given that this is a beta - I can't complain if that is what they want to do.

In a sense, it is what I signed up for ;-)

I'm worried I'm geo-drm'd with my PSN account not matching my current continent of choice.

Before we checked with each other to see what the issue was I almost deleted the preload to see if that was the issue, but given the network load I would not have much luck with that either I imagine.

Error

CE-34632-8

Dress it up all you like, what matters is whether they succeeded. The obvious answer is no, they didn't.

Uh... go reread my post and tell me how I was "dressing it up." Being unwilling is a SLIGHT towards the way most people deal with networking not a defense.

Then at night, local time, it connects to the servers and negotiates a good time to download whilst most of your locale is asleep.

If you still want two key security then let the first code suffice to download and use the 2nd key to unlock.

This stuff should not be so irritating.

What we are seeing is exactly whet any competent engineer would have expected. There is nothing novel, unexpected, bleeding edge or unusual about problems cause by thousands of people trying to access servers and download gigabytes each all at once.

It's pretty poor but it only makes things worse to say that betas are for winding up gamers. :-)