I'd reply to this but it's probably better to just get back to editing the podcast...

The objection is just silly, though. Relatively minor timed exclusive roughly equivalent DLC for major cross-platform titles is just a feature of the landscape these days and not really worth getting your panties in a bunch over.

Yeah, this is about all that needs to be said.

The objection is just silly, though. Relatively minor timed exclusive roughly equivalent DLC for major cross-platform titles is just a feature of the landscape these days and not really worth getting your panties in a bunch over.

* that was the one, right? I'm thinking of the series that had the non-canon Spartan in one game if you got it for the Xbox, and in another game you could have Darth Vader or Yoda depending on which console you got it for

From what others have said here, Soul Calibur has done that. But since you mentioned a Spartan, I believe you're thinking of Dead or Alive. DoA 4 had an S-II.

While I appreciate discussion with a fellow fan, this particular discussion, my friend, feels pretty pointless. I get that you think it's unfair, you made that point enough times. And I and others have made our points disagreeing with you.

I didn't if you were disagreeing with that until now.

I think it's best if we leave it at that.

OK
here's hoping we enjoy Destiny whatever we play it on

We know it's not just something cosmetic because they said it was playable content.

No, you don't.

You can't play a skin or a hat.

And how the hell is a skin not "playable"? If it goes on your character or weapon and you are using it then you are PLAYING it.

I defy you to find anyone who talks about a weapon or skin or emblem or hat or design in English and says they're playing it.

At minimum it would have to be something like an early perk or character or level >that's outside of what other console players get or at least unlocked early.

Again, how do you know this?

Enlighten me.

If they told me I was getting exclusive playable content for something and it turned out to be some emblems, weapon skins, and hats, I'd feel like I was ripped off and/or lied to, so I guess it comes down to which thing you (or I) think Bungie's more likely to do.

I think that this tidbit of wisdom that was shared in another post is applicable here as well.
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

I don't think there is anything wrong with Bungie's decision, whether the exclusive content is merely cosmetic or if it's gameplay related. Frankly, it's their game and they can do whatever the heck they want with it. If it really means that much to you to play every single bit of Destiny content, then just buy the PS4. Otherwise, I don't think your life will be so different if you miss a little bit of a video game. Some people need to grow up. And, G Vagueness, I'm not directing this at you in particular. This is just for people in general who complain about inconsequential crap like this.

I just have a problem if whatever it is is not inconsequential, like if it gives someone an advantage or keeps people out of areas they would otherwise be able to get to. It's not about me or any other particular person or group being able to have or get everything, it's about fairness to people with different consoles.

Years ago, I purchased Soul Caliber for the xbox. That game was available on the Xbox, PlayStation 2 and Game Cube.

It was made by the same studio.

Each console version of that game was exactly the same, except for one item: A single console specific character. Thank god the whole GAME wasn't console specific.

I see what you did there

Maybe the game is 100% the same, except for some cosmetic item. Who knows? Maybe there is a Sony specific God of War player skin, and a Microsoft specific Master Chief player skin. Hell, maybe its like TF2 and the hats. Who knows!

We know it's not just something cosmetic because they said it was playable content.

No, you don't.

You can't play a skin or a hat.

And how the hell is a skin not "playable"? If it goes on your character or weapon and you are using it then you are PLAYING it.

At minimum it would have to be something like an early perk or character or level >that's outside of what other console players get or at least unlocked early.

Again, how do you know this?

Enlighten me.

I really, really doubt that it will be some gameplay mission/level/chapter, perk/modifier. Besides, we don't even KNOW how its going to be yet. There may not be "missions" and "levels" as we've come to know them.

This is pointless, and a waste of time.

I don't think there is anything wrong with Bungie's decision, whether the exclusive content is merely cosmetic or if it's gameplay related. Frankly, it's their game and they can do whatever the heck they want with it. If it really means that much to you to play every single bit of Destiny content, then just buy the PS4. Otherwise, I don't think your life will be so different if you miss a little bit of a video game. Some people need to grow up. And, G Vagueness, I'm not directing this at you in particular. This is just for people in general who complain about inconsequential crap like this.

Years ago, I purchased Soul Caliber for the xbox. That game was available on the Xbox, PlayStation 2 and Game Cube.

It was made by the same studio.

Each console version of that game was exactly the same, except for one item: A single console specific character. Thank god the whole GAME wasn't console specific.

I see what you did there

Maybe the game is 100% the same, except for some cosmetic item. Who knows? Maybe there is a Sony specific God of War player skin, and a Microsoft specific Master Chief player skin. Hell, maybe its like TF2 and the hats. Who knows!

We know it's not just something cosmetic because they said it was playable content. You can't play a skin or a hat. At minimum it would have to be something like an early perk or character or level that's outside of what other console players get or at least unlocked early.

It was made by the same studio.

Each console version of that game was exactly the same, except for one item: A single console specific character. Thank god the whole GAME wasn't console specific.

Xbox got Spawn.

GameCube got Link.

PlayStation 2 got someone from Tekken (I think).

I don't see anything wrong with that.

In this example, each console gets access to that game, for the same price. Everything is the exact same, with the exception of one playable character.

This is all hypothetical when it comes to Destiny, as we obviously don't know everything yet- but perhaps, Bungie is doing something exacly like that when it comes to the Xbox and Playstation version of Destiny.

Maybe the game is 100% the same, except for some cosmetic item. Who knows? Maybe there is a Sony specific God of War player skin, and a Microsoft specific Master Chief player skin. Hell, maybe its like TF2 and the hats. Who knows!

Either way, I really, truly, do not care.

You have a really odd sense of morality when it comes to gaming. I will remind you that what you think is right (or wrong) is hardly the be all end all.

That's true, but if a person doesn't live by their own principles, what else can they do? If a person doesn't speak up when they think something is wrong, how are they not a coward?

Wat? It has nothing to do with Cody speaking up- He's pretty awesome at that. I think you are reading to deeply into that line.

Sometimes the obvious answer is obvious. It's an incentive from the retailer to purchase the product on their platform and not the competitors.

I think the issue is that it's not being done by the retailer or the hardware manufacturer or even the publisher, but is apparently being done by the content creators themselves.

GV, did you even read my last post?

This is what I said to Cody:

"Perhaps it would irk you less if Sony and not Bungie was offering some exclusive content to get people to play Destiny on their platform?"

This is what you said above:

"I think the issue is that it's not being done by the retailer or the hardware manufacturer or even the publisher, but is apparently being done by the content creators themselves."

What you said is almost exactly what I said, except you make less sense.

Yes, he's upset that Bungie is offering some exclusive content on the PS3. That is not the question.

The question, is would it bug Cody LESS if it were SONY offering some exclusive content to Destiny that another platform wasn't getting.

I just...don't...

Sigh.....................

I was watching the announcement presentation and I'm fairly certain what they said was ‘exclusive content’ — the introduction of that word massively changes the meaning of the sentence. Maybe I wasn't paying attention but perhaps could you confirm the source of that line? Otherwise this is putting the carriage before about a million horses.

I just watched it and they did say "playable". Although I don't like it, I wouldn't care too much if it was stuff like the Reach and Halo 4 pre-order bonuses or the exclusive characters in recent editions of Soul Caliber*. This makes it sound like it's a bit bigger than that, though.

* that was the one, right? I'm thinking of the series that had the non-canon Spartan in one game if you got it for the Xbox, and in another game you could have Darth Vader or Yoda depending on which console you got it for