I really don't understand why they had the factions only take crucible marks if you can gain reputation in PvE and PvP. What was the reasoning?

More grind, keep you playing longer.

The cap would still be 100 a week for each. If I wanted a new helmet that cost 120 crucible or Vanguard marks I would still have to hit the cap for either one and then wait for the weekly reset. No different than now. The only time advantage I could see is if you wanted gloves and boots that cost 65 each, you could buy one with crucible marks and the other with vanguard marks in the same week. Of course that also means that you're playing more to get both vanguard and crucible marks.

I don't think they gain anything in terms of required game time. The only thing now is stretching your purchases out over an extra week due to the cap. It's aggravating for me because I have a character I love using in PvE but not PvP, and his armor purchases are limited to Vanguard.

I really don't understand why they had the factions only take crucible marks if you can gain reputation in PvE and PvP. What was the reasoning?

More grind, keep you playing longer.

Yeah, I know. The reason I'm not juggling things is that I don't have the degree of playtime that makes it matter. You don't need switch out vanguard and crucible and faction points if you're not even making it through the vanguard bounties many days. I don't WANT to power-level; even if I had all day, I wouldn't bother doing all the Crucible bounties because I'm not a huge fan of crucible.

Welcome to post level 20 Destiny. This is the game now. Nobody believed me when I said it sucked, but now you are all starting to see.

Me complaining about the RNG isn't because I've been farming a cave for several hours (the 15 minutes I mentioned in the other thread are the ONLY 15 minutes I've spent, I was mostly just curious about it), but because I've watched people regularly get better gear than myself in like-for-like circumstances. I still don't have a chest piece with any light; don't tell me "to stop relying on the RNG and buy something else", because I CAN'T buy something else. I wish I could, and that's why once I reached level 20 I started paying more attention to Vanguard bounties.

Pick a faction you like and wear their item. Do all the bounties you can, both Vanguard and Crucible. That seems to be the fastest way to get points. The armor is available at level 2, so split between your faction choice and the vanguard, since you have the two different currencies and can buy two pieces per week. Strange coins for Xur make 3 per.

Yea, but if you are wearing a faction item, you don't get rep to level your Vanguard rank anymore, do you? If not, doesn't that effectively make Vanguard marks useless?

Pick a faction you like and wear their item. Do all the bounties you can, both Vanguard and Crucible. That seems to be the fastest way to get points. The armor is available at level 2, so split between your faction choice and the vanguard, since you have the two different currencies and can buy two pieces per week. Strange coins for Xur make 3 per.

Yeah, I know. The reason I'm not juggling things is that I don't have the degree of playtime that makes it matter. You don't need switch out vanguard and crucible and faction points if you're not even making it through the vanguard bounties many days. I don't WANT to power-level; even if I had all day, I wouldn't bother doing all the Crucible bounties because I'm not a huge fan of crucible. Ideally, I just play exactly what I feel like playing, although unfortunately due to my low level the game encourages me to do other things (i.e. complete vanguard bounties). Hopefully at some point that stops being an issue. If it doesn't, I'll probably have to get rid of the game, because that'll be having a detrimental effect on me after a while; unfortunately, Destiny's loot system has a strong enough direct impact on gameplay that I don't think I'll be capable of learning to ignore it if it wants to be heard.

I'll almost certainly hit vanguard Rank 2 tomorrow; I was considering saving marks for a pistol, but armor first might be better, especially in terms of replacing this zero-light chest piece.

Me complaining about the RNG isn't because I've been farming a cave for several hours (the 15 minutes I mentioned in the other thread are the ONLY 15 minutes I've spent, I was mostly just curious about it), but because I've watched people regularly get better gear than myself in like-for-like circumstances. I still don't have a chest piece with any light; don't tell me "to stop relying on the RNG and buy something else", because I CAN'T buy something else. I wish I could, and that's why once I reached level 20 I started paying more attention to Vanguard bounties.

Pick a faction you like and wear their item. Do all the bounties you can, both Vanguard and Crucible. That seems to be the fastest way to get points. The armor is available at level 2, so split between your faction choice and the vanguard, since you have the two different currencies and can buy two pieces per week. Strange coins for Xur make 3 per.

Forget getting gear randomly. Buy everything and eliminate luck. Buy your legendaries from the factions or vanguard, and whatever exotics you need from Xur. Relying on drops sounds awful, and that's why you are 21.

I'm level 21 because I'm relying on drops? What? I'm level 21 because the RNG hasn't been giving me anything while I try to get enough rep and marks to buy things through Vanguard. But it turns out that takes a while, and I'm not even vanguard rank 2 yet.

Me complaining about the RNG isn't because I've been farming a cave for several hours (the 15 minutes I mentioned in the other thread are the ONLY 15 minutes I've spent, I was mostly just curious about it), but because I've watched people regularly get better gear than myself in like-for-like circumstances. I still don't have a chest piece with any light; don't tell me "to stop relying on the RNG and buy something else", because I CAN'T buy something else. I wish I could, and that's why once I reached level 20 I started paying more attention to Vanguard bounties.

Edit: Speaking of not farming for engrams, shortly after this post I found myself in a public event on Venus. I happened to get a Legendary engram from one of the Vex I killed, and it just gave me an Exotic Auto Rifle. Cryptarch, finally, be praised!

This confuses me. Why does the Raid require a high level? You unlock most movement options pretty quickly, so it seems like it would have to be a combat level thing. But if that was the issue, why put such an astronomical gap between "the start of the endgame" and "able to do Raid"? I haven't been able to play the Raid (I'm still only level 21 and I've been having garbage luck with items), but it seems entirely artificial.

Forget getting gear randomly. Buy everything and eliminate luck. Buy your legendaries from the factions or vanguard, and whatever exotics you need from Xur. Relying on drops sounds awful, and that's why you are 21.

Destiny has a soul with many problems that hopefully can and will be fixed. Also apparently the Raid is awesome.

Literally all Bungie has to do is make an 'easy' level 20 version of the raid. That would solve so much. You could play the game casually till level 20, then play the raid, and never have to grind.

That's really the only reason I did the grind, was to get suited for the raid. I spent many mind numbing hours to be able to do one of the coolest challenges I've ever played in an FPS. If it were accessible without grinding, that would be ideal. Obviously it could have lower rewards, but if you play Destiny casually that wouldn't matter.

This confuses me. Why does the Raid require a high level? You unlock most movement options pretty quickly, so it seems like it would have to be a combat level thing. But if that was the issue, why put such an astronomical gap between "the start of the endgame" and "able to do Raid"? I haven't been able to play the Raid (I'm still only level 21 and I've been having garbage luck with items), but it seems entirely artificial.

Destiny has a soul with many problems that hopefully can and will be fixed. Also apparently the Raid is awesome.

Literally all Bungie has to do is make an 'easy' level 20 version of the raid. That would solve so much. You could play the game casually till level 20, then play the raid, and never have to grind.

That's really the only reason I did the grind, was to get suited for the raid. I spent many mind numbing hours to be able to do one of the coolest challenges I've ever played in an FPS. If it were accessible without grinding, that would be ideal. Obviously it could have lower rewards, but if you play Destiny casually that wouldn't matter.

If I'd played this five years ago, I would have written so much fic.

I like Grizzlei's idea that the reason the speaker knows so much about what the children are talking about is that he is a perv. That should jumpstart some quality fanfic.

Hit me up on PS4 someday.

That's unfortunate. I'm still coming back nearly daily as time permits me, and when time does permit, I'm on Destiny for a long, long time. I get it, though. This game isn't for everyone, and has oh so much wrong with it (much of which I'm unwilling to forgive). I can be patient, though. Plus I need something to play come December when 343 releases their joke Beta game and everyone else goes to that without me. :P

That when the same 3-4 people here shit-post about Destiny everyday, people call them out on it and ask them to tone it down (and it seems that they do).

Destiny has a soul with many problems that hopefully can and will be fixed. Also apparently the Raid is awesome.

But when the people shit-post about 343 on HBO and *I* call them out on it and ask them to tone it down (and you would be one of those people, Av) no one cares.

I'm sorry that Halo 4 has no soul and lost all its population like Destiny is dangerously close to doing. 343 has acknowledged all of this with H4 and will hopefully be fixing it big time for Halo 5.

This is a rhetorical post that needs no reply (just muse on it to yourself)- it's just something that I see that seems silly to me.

You say that like it means that I shouldn't reply. It totally worked!

DBO version:

"Destiny is a crappy game, way to go Bungie, this game is crap because blah blah blah but I'm gonna keep playing it and posting on these forums because reasons"

No, you're spot on here. The fact is, they are still playing it and posting on the forums, and that's kinda weird. lol

or the HBO version:

"Halo 4-5 is a crappy game, way to go 343, this game is crap because blah blah blah but I'm gonna keep playing it and posting on these forums because reasons"

I stopped playing Halo 4 a long time ago, so if this is directed at me, you're pretty funny. It even got uninstalled from my 360 entirely a while ago. Real talk homie.

As for posting on those forums for reasons, I'm actually looking forward to the Master Chief Collection and very much plan on dropping my money on it! I'm giving 343 my money dude. Just calm yourself down. You should see what GAF looks like. Wasn't HaloGAF turned off because of how horrible it got? Just because their Halo 5 Beta decisions are hilarious and Halo 4 sucks hard doesn't mean anything as far as their next big release. :D

I guess what I'm saying is, for people that aren't happy with game\company 'X' , you don't need to inject that sentiment into 90% of your posts- the regular forum members get it. Stop raining on everyone else's picnic.

Maybe they're hoping that Bungie sees it and gets it and fixes it instead of going 343's route of taking six months to fix it, the population was nearly all gone by that point, and 343 themselves seemed to have mostly moved on to H5 (thus making H4 a generally lost cause)? :P

I'm done now.

_>

Be happy. 343 might get Halo 5 right because of all the backlash, and maybe Bungie will make Destiny something that people will truly stick around for for 10 years because of all of this backlash!

Because this is a Bungie fan forum and you're not allowed to bitch about Bungie, but it's totally cool to bitch about other developers because they're not perfect like Bungie.

Oh no, I forgot to take my cynicism medication today...

Oh I know cynicism- I'm one of the most cynical people you'll ever meet!

But even I know when to call it a day, at a certain point, dude. That's all.

Oh no, I forgot to take my cynicism medication today...

That's unfortunate. I'm still coming back nearly daily as time permits me, and when time does permit, I'm on Destiny for a long, long time. I get it, though. This game isn't for everyone, and has oh so much wrong with it (much of which I'm unwilling to forgive). I can be patient, though. Plus I need something to play come December when 343 releases their joke Beta game and everyone else goes to that without me. :P

That when the same 3-4 people here shit-post about Destiny everyday, people call them out on it and ask them to tone it down (and it seems that they do).

But when the people shit-post about 343 on HBO and *I* call them out on it and ask them to tone it down (and you would be one of those people, Av) no one cares.

This is a rhetorical post that needs no reply (just muse on it to yourself)- it's just something that I see that seems silly to me.

DBO version:

"Destiny is a crappy game, way to go Bungie, this game is crap because blah blah blah but I'm gonna keep playing it and posting on these forums because reasons"

or the HBO version:

"Halo 4-5 is a crappy game, way to go 343, this game is crap because blah blah blah but I'm gonna keep playing it and posting on these forums because reasons"

I guess what I'm saying is, for people that aren't happy with game\company 'X' , you don't need to inject that sentiment into 90% of your posts- the regular forum members get it. Stop raining on everyone else's picnic.

I'm done now.

>_>