Hopefully this isn't beating a dead horse, but I feel your pain. PvP was very hard (and still is hard) for me to get into. When I first dropped into it I just died, and died, and died. That's all that I did, spawn, run a little, see someone, maybe pull the trigger & then die. I felt that NONE of my Halo or PvE skills translated over, that I would just instantly die. It's gotten better as I ground to Iron Banner rank 4 and way more better when playing in a fireteam. Apparently over all time I'm a 0.73 kdr player, but I feel I'm currently a 1.0 kdr player now & I'm actually willing to take exotic bounties that require PvE.

I enjoy the Crucible the most when I'm running in a fireteam with a total of 3 or more people, otherwise it's just not much fun for me. Maybe that's because I'm not very good at it when running as a lone wolf.

I had a long winded message that I took three hours to write about my discovery. In fact, it was too long. I was told that my post was under the spam radar and needed to be released manually. But the long story short was, I was wrong.

All the links is what did it actually. :) Usually once I clear a user's 'potential spam', it doesn't keep harassing the same person about it, so hopefully it doesn't happen to you again.

On the positive side, there was REAL spam in the queue too, so it is doing some good!

Simple as that.

So to Ragashingo, I apologize for my false claims and outrageous accounts.

To Havok, I'm sorry I let my inadequacies blind me from the truth.

Stabbim, I apologize for treating your response with such incredulity.

Kermit, I'm sorry again for letting my anger get the best of me. I'll watch my language from now on.

To Kahzgul, for over-exaggerating the power of an enemy weapon.

Beorn, for using your video to solidify my case.

And to the rest of you, I'm sorry for just being wrong.

Sometimes I wish I could step outside of myself and find out what's wrong with me, why it doesn't work, what I'm doing so differently...unfortunately, I can't.

I can only try to better myself and hope that maybe my flaws can be found--if not by me, then at least someone who will put up with me.

Thanks.

Also, I couldn't double jump, so the map navigation was a very interesting thing.

That's one thing that's taking me a while to get used to. Up to this point I've only used a Warlock and their glide. Having the more traditional double-jump has really hurt me in some instances. But in others it's proved to be invaluable.

So, I loaded up my Lvl 3 Hunter, original Khostov and the first no-name sniper I got in the play-through. First match of Control on Rusted Lands. We won.

When I made my Hunter a week or so back, I immediately took him into a game of Crucible for lulz, using only the two starting weapons. I did alright, considering that I joined the game in-progress.

Even if I'd gone negative, I wouldn't be such a baby about enemy weapons having advantages over me... Also, I couldn't double jump, so the map navigation was a very interesting thing.

A little profanity goes along way. None can go even further.

But but but but... :( I <3 my swears Kermit

You should hear me cursing my old joints when I start moving around in the morning.

I don't post that here, and you should be glad.

Haha. You'll have to share online sometime. I'm always on the lookout for creative curses.

Anyway, by the end of the night I was doing pretty darn good. Since I've little proof, I don't really expect anything, I just wanted to give it a shot. It was loads of fun, and I'm probably going to keep playing this way tonight in Iron Banner, just for the bitter bitter taste of defeat. Heh.

Crucible is not balanced around a level 2 character with 2 guns and no abilities.

Quote from Ragashingo:

It keeps Crucible matches Fair & Balanced™. It allows someone just starting out to be competitive with those who have been playing for three months.

Now, you've been playing for three months, and using a new character--essentially just starting out--literally a blend of the two. It made sense to me.

In a way, it would be cool if for Destiny 2 Bungie had variations of the crucible. One version would be like Iron Banner is now, where level advantages matter and you can bring in your guns. The other version would have level advantages disabled, but have a limited selection of weapons and armor available to everyone. You would choose and save a loadout while the map is loading, and cannot take anything you have in with you. That's the most 'fair' it can possibly get given the nature of the game.

That's exactly what I want/wanted, and almost verbatim what I was griping about earlier. I absolutely and wholly agree with you on that.

It's not that – it's the way in every other post you curse like a sailor who just cut his arm shot off. A little profanity goes along way. None can go even further.

You're absolutely right. I apologize, I didn't mean to offend. I checked through my posts, and I never realized I swore that much. I do seem to get angry over the smallest things. I guess cursing somehow alleviated that anger for me when I got too angry, since I couldn't destroy or hurt anyone. I think it's a combination of that, and the taboo of it in itself. I was always told not to curse as a child, and I even created a swear jar--made insane bank around my father. They wanted me to stop doing that, but more and more of my role models disappointed me with severe hypocrisy. So, I think the fact that it's so wrong is where that extra dopamine comes from. So yeah, I'll make a note to keep my swearing to a minimum. I'll put up NSFW tags if I need to curse, but last time I did that, people were practically asking for porn. I'll just keep disappointing them.

Side note: I found this and I had to laugh at myself. I now realize I really do deserve every iota of stress and every tear of frustration that has birthed from this miserable mode.

Also, regarding being 'forced' into an Exotic bounty - I gave up on Thorn pretty quickly. It's requirements didn't fit my playstyle so I decided the gun wasn't for me and dropped it. I'd suggest the same if you're frustrated by whichever you're on. There's a lot more opportunities for neat guns in Destiny - no point in all of us having ALL the guns. :)

Yeah--I'm going to be dropping duplicate bounties from now on. But the Thorn is such an amazing weapon--especially in Single Player! Most high-level enemies can die in one shot with the residual effects--not to mention, I've never seen a magazine that big on a Hand Cannon! It's incredible! I'm giving the new version to my Hunter. I just HAVE to finish it!

Not running out where you can be shot helps a great deal. Not to be rude or a snob, but my advice is just to get better. I absolutely do not have the problem or frustration you are experiencing. Last Word has a low time to kill, but so do boatloads of other weapons.

I know, I do need to get better. It's just so frustrating when so many of my weapons and strategies just fail. I mean, my Thorn is really dependable, and I'm developing an attraction to my B-Line Trauma, but everything else is just so hard. I don't know what I'm doing wrong--even when my Fusion Rifles land a hit with every single projectile(in rare cases, even all headshots), they don't cause any damage--literally--it doesn't even impact their shields. Up close, from a distance, it doesn't matter! And whenever I do carry one, everyone rock-paper-scissors me with a Shotgun. The Comedian, The Found Verdict, The Judgement, The Hide-N-Seek, even the Sidewinder and Copperhead. I own The Comedian, The Verdict, and The Crash, and those only resort to old-school Halo 3 melees. The Snipers--don't even get me started on those. The reticule is so overwhelmingly "shaky"--if someone even points their gun at you, there's almost no way of getting an accurate shot. Even jumping messes up your line of sight! I find it entirely useless unless you camp and catch your opponent by surprise. You've seen my emblem. My Rocket Launcher tracks, but unless he's real far away, it'll home away from my opponent and make me look like an idiot. Meanwhile, everyone's got Truth and Galahorn. I'd spell that right, but I never ever see the weapon unless it's 10 feet up my [REDACTED]. Fired point blank by an opponent with no damage to them.

I suppose I sabotage myself, though--my sensitivity is like, 2. It's always been. And my strength of easily killing people who follow me, now seems to be a weakness of my own. I just want those last dozen bullets or so to finally kill him...

Machine guns, I actually have no complaint against. Except I guess, the Corrective Measure and Zombie Apocalypse What The [REDACTED] That Thing Has 47 Rounds. But here--here is my current Fight Sheet. Nearly all my spots are Yellow or Purple, save for the useless items I haven't deleted yet. What do you suggest I use to my advantage? What should I get rid of? What would you use if these were yours? What advice can you give? Is it Super Good? (Sorry, it was begging for it.)

I started playing Destiny in October. I can count on two hands all the times I've ever been killed by The Devil You Know.

Correction: I met my 11th last night.

Here's a guy who is actually good at the crucible killing people with a gun that sucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fTy52I4SO0

"But that guy is upgraded!" you say. Here's some Iron Banner 1.0 (basically vanilla crucible) where a guy with a level 4 character murders everything with a Khvostov (his obnoxious voice fits the mood of this thread so I'm leaving it in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCJjNjZl28

Satisfied?

It hurts. It hurts that it's made to look so easy.

But yes. I am.

I...I just suck. I fucking suck...

And the crazy thing is, the day you posted that, I got my own personalized experience myself. I was in a Skirmish match, and I was actually doing great. Terrific, in fact. I got my first(and now last) Reign of Terror. But of the seven times I died, almost each time a name came up--The Marshall-A. Literally a starter. And I got killed just as quickly as any other Auto Rifle. I had gotten more medals, kills, and victory than I had ever had in any other Crucible game, yet I never felt more lost and defeated. For I learned--through scoring so high in that game--that I am useless in multiplayer.

I'll post my apology in a separate reply.

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong...

Even if I'm wrong about damage, I'm still dead on about the upgrades--they produce an unfair advantage in almost every case.

From a technical standpoint, this is true. The key thing, though, is that everyone has a slew of perks that can make their weapons have an "unfair advantage" in key situations. Stuff like The Last Word and Suros have perks that accommodate most situations, but they're not one-size-fits-all on the field...

This is actually true. Having guns with good perks really does help. I've seen Korny wreck using armor piercing for example, which lets you shoot through walls. That upgrade is really uncommon. You couldn't buy it on any guns (I think you can now with Dark Below). It only came on corrective measure, or if you got a random perk.

Yeah, the AP rounds on my Final Boss really suit my playstyle, and give me a huge advantage over other snipers when it comes to one-on-one encounters, but there are tradeoffs, such as low ammo and a crap impact rating (it's nearly useless in PvE) that would send players running for a better rifle, but it's fine for me. You can buy the LDR 5001 from the Vanguard, which has this perk. I kind of want it, but I'm too fond of my Final Boss...

However, I feel as if it's really not that hard to get all these guns. You could have bought all these exotics from Xur, and the legendary guns you can get from quartermasters with decent perks. You can work with what you have and still do great. What good is Truth if your team never lets the guy using it get any heavy ammo?

Yup, the Vanguard weapons were all fairly simple to obtain, and the first wave were really, really good weapons. There are a few now that I like, but stat-wise, they seem to have been given a bit of a nerf...

In a way, it would be cool if for Destiny 2 Bungie had variations of the crucible. One version would be like Iron Banner is now, where level advantages matter and you can bring in your guns. The other version would have level advantages disabled, but have a limited selection of weapons and armor available to everyone. You would choose and save a loadout while the map is loading, and cannot take anything you have in with you. That's the most 'fair' it can possibly get given the nature of the game.

Plants Vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare (hope you grabbed your free PS4 copy) does a thing where they have Welcome Mat, Classic, and Regular modes. In Welcome Mat and Classic, you can't have custom loadouts. You play with the defaults of your class, and it's very balanced in the way that after a bit, you can anticipate enemies just by the sound of their projectiles or character noises.

In Regular mode, things get CRAAAAAAZY...

Destiny would benefit from a "Classic" playlist with set loadouts, Class defaults, and some traditional objective modes. That way people wouldn't have to cry about the Last Word, Suros, Verdict, or Thorn, and the more skilled competitive folks wouldn't have these people randomly on their team...

Win Win...

Even if I'm wrong about damage, I'm still dead on about the upgrades--they produce an unfair advantage in almost every case.

This is actually true. Having guns with good perks really does help. I've seen Korny wreck using armor piercing for example, which lets you shoot through walls. That upgrade is really uncommon. You couldn't buy it on any guns (I think you can now with Dark Below). It only came on corrective measure, or if you got a random perk.

However, I feel as if it's really not that hard to get all these guns. You could have bought all these exotics from Xur, and the legendary guns you can get from quartermasters with decent perks. You can work with what you have and still do great. What good is Truth if your team never lets the guy using it get any heavy ammo?

In a way, it would be cool if for Destiny 2 Bungie had variations of the crucible. One version would be like Iron Banner is now, where level advantages matter and you can bring in your guns. The other version would have level advantages disabled, but have a limited selection of weapons and armor available to everyone. You would choose and save a loadout while the map is loading, and cannot take anything you have in with you. That's the most 'fair' it can possibly get given the nature of the game.

Fucking christ, I'm losing it here. Every game of Crucible I'm forced to play for Bounties or what have you, everyone kills everyone in one shot or less with the Auto/Fusion/Sniper/Pistol The Last Word.

Bungie really has no idea what they're doing in terms of multiplayer.

How do I get The Last Word so I can cheat like everybody else?

Not running out where you can be shot helps a great deal. Not to be rude or a snob, but my advice is just to get better. I absolutely do not have the problem or frustration you are experiencing. Last Word has a low time to kill, but so do boatloads of other weapons.

If you die and you see you have been killed by Last Word remember who that player is. Then don't get too close - Last Word is weaker at range. Ever hear "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me?" Just be like Bush and don't get fooled again.

A little profanity goes along way. None can go even further.

But but but but... :( I <3 my swears Kermit

You should hear me cursing my old joints when I start moving around in the morning.

I don't post that here, and you should be glad.

A little profanity goes along way. None can go even further.

But but but but... :( I <3 my swears Kermit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fTy52I4SO0

"But that guy is upgraded!" you say. Here's some Iron Banner 1.0 (basically vanilla crucible) where a guy with a level 4 character murders everything with a Khvostov (his obnoxious voice fits the mood of this thread so I'm leaving it in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCJjNjZl28

Satisfied?

I'm beginning to think of you as the boy who cried F-bomb.

Yeah, I'm crying out for attention.

It's not that – it's the way in every other post you curse like a sailor who just cut his arm shot off. A little profanity goes along way. None can go even further.

Are you high?

Are you working for Bungie?

You stated that any gun can kill in one shot, and I called you out on it because it's not true. And your response is that I must be on Bungie's payroll? I don't know how I'm supposed to take you seriously there.

FWIW, I hate Crucible too. I don't disagree with your general frustration with it, but that statement was just plain false.

When I get home later tonight, however, I'll grab Vostov or whatever the M4 clone you spawn with is called and jump into Rumble just for you.