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<title>You&#039;re assuming that (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's no telling how deep the rabbit hole goes.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 06:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>ZackDark</dc:creator>
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<title>Round-Thingie: Combat Devolved. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Definitely Matt Soell's interview with Jen Taylor.</p>
</blockquote><p>Aw, shucks.  You are too kind.</p>
<p>–Matt</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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<title>Destiny (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Just a conjecture, but I feel like the grimoire cards are what's left over from the story before it got overhauled... Probably remnants of what Staten was working on all that time.</p>
<p>It is a shame that a great story wasn't delivered, because the pieces are there. It just didn't happen for whatever reason.</p>
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I have to admit it rubs me the wrong way to see this time and again. We worked our asses off on those cards - I worked too hard, and it cost me a serious chunk of my mental health. </p>
<p>I wasn't cribbing from anyone's outline. We did the work.</p>
<p>e: I'm sorry if I sound snappy, I don't mean to be a grouch. I'm glad you appreciate them!</p>
</blockquote><p>I think I'd be at least as snappy if I were you. I've said before that I don't care for this kind of conjecture, but I've also never been one to make the assumption that Staten was the fountainhead of all good storytelling from Bungie--what Ken Levine was to Irrational.* His ambition for Halo 2 almost wrecked the development of that game (not his fault alone, but Halo 2 is a flawed game). I might even say that the best writing from Bungie came before and after Staten's tenure.** I think writing for big games these days is much more akin to screenwriting--it's collaborative.</p>
<p>I hope you're in a good place now, Battuta.</p>
<p>Kermit</p>
<p>*Even Ken Levine delegated a lot at Irrational. I had a one-minute interaction with him at PAX, and I asked him about the nod to Frederick Law Olmsted at the beginning of BioShock Infinite. (Olmsted is considered the father of American landscape design, and was a primary character in THE DEVIL IN WHITE CITY, the non-fiction book about the Chicago World's Fair that Levine often cited as one of his inspirations for Columbia--great book!) He said, &quot;Oh, that must have been Joe Fielder! He wrote all that incidental conversational stuff.&quot;</p>
<p>**I love Staten. I think he's a good writer, was a good spokesman for Bungie, and Bungie's loss was Microsoft's gain. I've thoroughly enjoyed the panels I've seen when he was there.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 23:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
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<title>Durandal makes 343 Guilty Spark look like a poseur (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I mean Guilty Spark spends all his time being sycophantic.  Durandal is flat out ominous and Machiavellian all the time.</p>
</blockquote><p>I loved Guilty Sparks all the same though. Durandal was certainly threatening, but I got the sense from Guilty Spark that he could accidentally kill us and not think much of it, not because he was clumsy but because we were so insignificant to him. At least Durandal saw value in us, and we were a key part of his plan. Following Guilty Sparks felt more like an Ant following an elephant around. Dangerous, and you never know when you might be stepped on and forgotten.</p>
<p>I still like Durandal more though :)</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Earendil</dc:creator>
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<title>What are the good guys&#039; motivations? (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are we the <a href="https://youtu.be/ToKcmnrE5oY">good guys</a>?</p>
<p>We rip the neural connector doo-dads out of our dead victims' skulls. We skin our victims and use it to fuel our ships. Our hangouts in the tower are decorated with skulls...</p>
<p>When the Queen wants some killing done she invites us across, well, to do some killing. She needed some cold blooded, steely eyed, merciless hit-men and opened her doors to us...</p>
<p>are we <em>definitely</em> the good guys?</p>
</blockquote><p>Last time I checked, this solar system was our home turf. So, Yes.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>CyberKN</dc:creator>
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<title>What are the good guys&#039; motivations? (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we the <a href="https://youtu.be/ToKcmnrE5oY">good guys</a>?</p>
<p>We rip the neural connector doo-dads out of our dead victims' skulls. We skin our victims and use it to fuel our ships. Our hangouts in the tower are decorated with skulls...</p>
<p>When the Queen wants some killing done she invites us across, well, to do some killing. She needed some cold blooded, steely eyed, merciless hit-men and opened her doors to us...</p>
<p>are we <em>definitely</em> the good guys?</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>scarab</dc:creator>
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<title>Destiny (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it's really more like the next hope.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 18:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>stabbim</dc:creator>
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<title>Durandal makes 343 Guilty Spark look like a poseur (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean Guilty Spark spends all his time being sycophantic.  Durandal is flat out ominous and Machiavellian all the time.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Durandal</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't take any credit for Thorn 3! I'm guessing that was Jon Goff, the virtuoso behind the whole Thorn/Last Word saga.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 13:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>General Battuta</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm glad you said something. I loved the music of Halo and Destiny, and I knew that I could be grateful to Marty for having a hand in its creation. The Grimoire of Destiny is probably my favourite aspect of the game and now I have at least one name I can be grateful to for it!</p>
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You and your team did excellent work and I thank you for it. </p>
<p>(PS: Thorn 3 is one of the most perfect short-short-stories I've ever read, and I've read A LOT of stories)</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 11:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Chewbaccawakka</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly the world built in Destiny is one of my favorite sci-fi ones, and a very, very large chunk of that is thanks to the Grimoire cards, so keep up the good work! :)</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
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<title>I feel kind of the same way. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a serious lack of story in game, but the CARDS are like a free novel. It really is a better story experience...but delivered badly.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 10:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Funkmon</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>I really like how they handled telling the story from two different perspectives, as opposed to Halo 1 where the covenant are just alien bad guys. </p>
<p>That's part of why I'm so disappointed in Destiny's storytelling: The bad guys' motivations are really nebulous.</p>
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One of the problems with relying on the 'mystery' angle, as will be explained in my piece soon!</p>
</blockquote><p>To be fair, I don't think that Destiny is relying on any mystery angle. The game just failed hard on narrative and story, and so we flat out don't really have anything to go off of. I don't know if I can even call the enemies' motivations nebulous, primarily because there are no real motivations. They're just sort of around, doing bad things, and needing to be stopped by us because we're the gamers, they're the bad guys, and much like how plenty of the bounties direct/tell us, the bad guys are just targets that need to be killed because they're there being bad guys that need to be killed. No real motivations to explore or even speculate at as far as Destiny's in-game writing goes, really. :P</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 10:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Avateur</dc:creator>
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<title>mea culpa (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies Battuta, your work deserves to be recognized.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 10:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Fuertisimo</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think any of us mean to dismiss those who did the work. We just don't know who to credit when looking in from the outside! :)</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 09:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Ragashingo</dc:creator>
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<title>Heh (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's so good it feels the other way around. Keep up the good work, Battuta. Just don't stress yourself too thin.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 08:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>ZackDark</dc:creator>
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<title>Probably the why part. (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 08:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Funkmon</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just a conjecture, but I feel like the grimoire cards are what's left over from the story before it got overhauled... Probably remnants of what Staten was working on all that time.</p>
<p>It is a shame that a great story wasn't delivered, because the pieces are there. It just didn't happen for whatever reason.</p>
</blockquote><p>I have to admit it rubs me the wrong way to see this time and again. We worked our asses off on those cards - I worked too hard, and it cost me a serious chunk of my mental health. </p>
<p>I wasn't cribbing from anyone's outline. We did the work.</p>
<p>e: I'm sorry if I sound snappy, I don't mean to be a grouch. I'm glad you appreciate them!</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 08:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>General Battuta</dc:creator>
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<title>Favorite Bungie story and why? (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marathon 2.  I really really <em>really</em> liked all the rampancy stuff.  And it was just sadistic enough to keep me coming back after so so many deaths.  Good times.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 08:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>slycrel</dc:creator>
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<title>Halo 2 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, really Halo 2 catches more crap than it should because of the ending...</p>
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<category>Off-Topic</category><dc:creator>Fuertisimo</dc:creator>
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