I dunno man, I gotta say I'm feeling pretty good about my thoughts on that guy's opinion, and that his opinion was pretty spot on considering that Bungie has now gone into damage control mode and Luke has issued an apology.

Bungie's response was triggered by the community backlash of which his article was a part. He helped trigger their response. It's cool if you agree with his opinions, I don't happen to, but my post was not about that. It was about what he wrote being sensationalist.

I guess I'd add that "The entire interview is absolutely worth a read, and Bungie has to be scrambling for damage control after this" is actually an opinion. He in his estimation, the interview is worth a read, and in his estimation, Bungie is probably scrambling for damage control (which they were, and did).

Yeah I don't disagree that that sentence consists of his opinions. We both agree that he wrote an opinion piece, not a news piece. I have already been over what I don't like in his presentation.

So, yeah, the only thing sensational about this whole thing is how defensive people were of Bungie. Are you sure you weren't tossing out criticism because what the guy was saying made you uncomfortable?

I guess you aren't going to reread my original post. I already explained what I think was so sensationalist. And I guess you are still trying to guess my motives rather than listen to my arguments. Just for the sake of repetition: one of those things that make this article sensationalist is the bombastic title.

I think you throw around words like sensationalism because you just don't like what's going on.

That statement is true. It's also pretty much irrelevant because I explained the reasons why I called it sensationalism. You are free to disagree, but I wouldn't recommend you try to divine my intentions over the internet.

As for opinion masquerading as fact, that kind of trips at the first hurdle as it is an opinion piece not a news piece, thereby we can conclude that anything written therein is in fact, opinion.

Sorry, you may have missed what I was getting at. We know it is the authors opinion, but the author is acting like he is making unassailable factual claims:

Like, Bungie employees posted to some forums/outlets? Is that scrambling?

Anyway, like I said, I don't like opinion pieces written like this but that isn't a big deal. It was only 2 sentences under my point #3 in my original post. A passing comment really.

I dunno man, I gotta say I'm feeling pretty good about my thoughts on that guy's opinion, and that his opinion was pretty spot on considering that Bungie has now gone into damage control mode and Luke has issued an apology.

So.

I guess I'd add that "The entire interview is absolutely worth a read, and Bungie has to be scrambling for damage control after this" is actually an opinion. He in his estimation, the interview is worth a read, and in his estimation, Bungie is probably scrambling for damage control (which they were, and did).

So, yeah, the only thing sensational about this whole thing is how defensive people were of Bungie. Are you sure you weren't tossing out criticism because what the guy was saying made you uncomfortable?

If you're honestly considering paying to purchase a bunch of stuff you already own to get some digital swag... the problem is you, not them. Consider stepping away from the game for awhile for your own good.

Ahh, yes. Serves you right for liking something so much you want more of it . . . This is some very backwards logic, Narc.

Swag isn't more of it, though. It's just stuff that communicates to other people, and to yourself when you're not playing the game, that you play and like the game.

But at any rate, the update is up, and now you can shell out the difference in price to just add this stuff, so... yay?

There are also other things that people like so much they want more of it... like alcohol, tobacco and heroin. Some are legal and some aren't, some you just have to exercise restraint with, or avoid altogether. YMMV.

I think you throw around words like sensationalism because you just don't like what's going on.

That statement is true. It's also pretty much irrelevant because I explained the reasons why I called it sensationalism. You are free to disagree, but I wouldn't recommend you try to divine my intentions over the internet.

As for opinion masquerading as fact, that kind of trips at the first hurdle as it is an opinion piece not a news piece, thereby we can conclude that anything written therein is in fact, opinion.

Sorry, you may have missed what I was getting at. We know it is the authors opinion, but the author is acting like he is making unassailable factual claims:
"The entire interview is absolutely worth a read, and Bungie has to be scrambling for damage control after this"
Like, Bungie employees posted to some forums/outlets? Is that scrambling?

Anyway, like I said, I don't like opinion pieces written like this but that isn't a big deal. It was only 2 sentences under my point #3 in my original post. A passing comment really.

Forbes didn't claim that Luke Smith impregnated Jason Jones' wife and now they're beefing. They published a fairly standard opinion piece. As for opinion masquerading as fact, that kind of trips at the first hurdle as it is an opinion piece not a news piece, thereby we can conclude that anything written therein is in fact, opinion.

Fuertisimo:
The interviewer has every right to ask Luke questions about the pricing structure

Monochron:
Sure Phillips was entitled to go ahead and ask him anyway

There's no need to explain that. We agree.

Fuertisimo:
As for sensationalism, what exactly was sensationalist about this?

Monochron:
An article titled "Bungie's 'Taken King' interview was a little testy, but will likely have no impact on Destiny" is much less exciting than the one they went with.

^^^^^^ Right there. I explained in my post. To clarify though, I was saying that the Forbes article was sensationalism. Blowing up the drama of a previous interview.

If you think it's sensationalist for the interviewer to ask questions based on factual information regarding Bungie's future pricing plans, then perhaps you need to examine how you yourself actually feel about this issue

I think if you reread my post you'll see that I wasn't talking about that at all.

My word, an opinion columnist writing an opinion column. Queue the sighed lamentation of "journalism these days".

Meh, I'm not a fan of presenting opinions as facts. If that is standard practice in "opinion columns" then I guess I don't like that aspect of opinion columns. In particular, I definitely don't like this guy's writings for the reasons that I gave in my post above.

I have lots of places I cut corners, but the two places I don't are my food and my fun.

+1

Except that I would add toilet paper to your list. The quilted stuff is work the extra few bucks ;-)

...which seems plausible, because marathon was done this way and why not keep that same design philosophy...

I don't doubt the rest of what you said, but Marathon was twenty one years ago. How much direct relevance can it really have to Destiny's structure and programming? If you'd said Halo then sure, but Marathon?

Well, I know nothing about modding Halo. I know some people did it on PC, but I have no idea what the structure was. Marathon, on the other hand, I modded like crazy. I changed the animations, changed the physics, changed the AI... it was all really brilliantly structured so that these changes were easily accomplished and it was easy to save different "packages" of changes to share with friends etc..

Combined with my experience at a couple of different gaming houses and I've observed that, in general, once a dev team lands on a design structure and workflow that is nimble and responsive, they are fairly unlikely to switch to something cumbersome and difficult to change. Since Marathon, way back 20 years ago, was really well organized and easy to modify in almost every way, I find it very unlikely that Bungie would have made any games since then that weren't just as well structured (at least in the developer tools side of things).

As for sensationalism, what exactly was sensationalist about this? This is clearly a topic that is of great interest to people who do and don't play Destiny, is extremely timely and doesn't involve any outlandish claims by the interviewer.

If you think it's sensationalist for the interviewer to ask questions based on factual information regarding Bungie's future pricing plans, then perhaps you need to examine how you yourself actually feel about this issue, because I sense you're clinging to some pretty flimsy defenses.

As for the Forbes article, no doubt that it is opinion, and little surprise, considering the author is listed as an opinion contributor! My word, an opinion columnist writing an opinion column. Queue the sighed lamentation of "journalism these days".

I'm sorry but I will leave it to Claude and Levi to present the 'nice' side of the opposition. The thing is I have seen those poor souls try that approach for the longest time. It has not worked..

And you think your approach has a better chance of success?

It doesn't. Trust me. I should know.

Look. All of us are here because we love Bungie's games. After all, this is a Bungie fan site. Maybe you should try to keep that in mind when you respond to people here.

It's true that some of us believe that Bungie has been doing some really questionable stuff lately, but that doesn't automatically mean that we hate Bungie and everything they stand for. That's a ridiculous argument. Just because people have been taking Bungie to task doesn't mean that they hate the company, or that they feel they are being "abused against their will." You're oversimplifying what's happening here, and frankly you're just seeing what you want to see.

I don't know you from anybody. I gather that you've been a part of the Bungie community for a while and that you're well-known and well-liked by many here, but that's not what I see from your posts here. All I see is an asshole... and I should know because I've had my own problems with how people perceive me.

In fact, I think we could ALL do well to remember that everyone here found this place because they LOVE BUNGIE'S GAMES, and that no matter how negative we can be and how upset some of us are with Bungie at the moment, that doesn't mean that we HATE them or that our view of the situation can (or should) be belittled and reduced to binary "with them or against them" camps. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. The debate is more nuanced than that and you're smart enough to know it, but you choose to continue being a dick to people who have the nerve to disagree with you. That's childish and small, and you're better than that.

Go back and look at the original iPhone, it was priced at $599 at launch and was slammed by critics for being so expensive, yet it still sold like crazy on its first day on the market.

This may be a bad example, as the original iPhone's price dropped by something like $200 after a few months.

That doesn't affect my comparison in the least, we don't know what's going to happen a few months from now, and even at $599 they were still selling amazingly (and kept selling out). My main comparison is about the fact that there is all this "negative" press about the collector's edition, and yet the physical one is sold out everywhere it's sold. If Bungie does anything for the long-term Destiny fans at this point it will because they do in fact care about their community (otherwise they'd just count the money that's rolling in).

I HAVE BEEN ABUSED AND MY MONEY IS BEING TAKEN AGAINST MY WILL!" Sorry, I firmly reject that worldview.

Is anyone here actually making that argument?

Just because people are unhappy with the pricing scheme and believe that it is unfair to loyal fans DOES NOT mean that they believe they are being taken against their will. I mean, are you even being serious right now?

Go back and look at the original iPhone, it was priced at $599 at launch and was slammed by critics for being so expensive, yet it still sold like crazy on its first day on the market.

This may be a bad example, as the original iPhone's price dropped by something like $200 after a few months.

When Luke says it is up to us to decide our value the answer is easy for me. I have purchased 6 copies of Halo 3, if you include the MCC. I still don't regret any of those purchases because of the experiences they allowed me to have.

I have lots of places I cut corners, but the two places I don't are my food and my fun.