So what if you made your whole game that way? What if you tried to make that campaign / story experience, but have it be co-op only? Nobody has tried this

Technically, the co-op campaign is separate from the single player campaign. But if you want to finish the whole thing, you technically* need 2 ppl

*i believe someone was able to solo it, although that is like someone soloing a raid that was meant for a full fireteam.

It is interesting to me, with Destiny Specifically, that I'll actually occupy my idle game time with other games (I still have AssCreed Black Flag to finish, and I've completed a bunch of other games since Destiny came out, and I've been mixing in some Halo 5 here and there) especially when my friends aren't online, but if a group gathers we gather for Destiny nine times out of ten. Usually for a Raid or some Crucible hijinks. Weekends bring coordinated Trials games (sometimes winning 5:0 when we've otherwise given up and are all maining sidearms) and weekdays often have people splitting into Nightfall Teams and King's Fall.

I think that the recent Extra Credits video (Here) on Destiny illustrates my feelings on it well, and in a lot of ways for me, Destiny plays out how you're asking for it, albeit in a non-arbitrary fashion.

Referring to Destiny as comfort food sums up my current feelings on the game, and in a greater gaming ecosystem I don't feel terribly subjected to some of the game decisions other people seem to have conflict with.

Honestly they earned so much goodwill from me for Meat Boy that I can't help but still like them. I didn't know about the Mac port, but I always wait for reviews anyway so it doesn't really affect me.

Mac Port is fixed at windowed 640 x 480. Mac Port does not have gamepad support.

As I said, it's absolutely unplayable, and utterly shameful it exists in such a state.

I will occasionally hop into chat with my Destiny playing friends while I do something else and I instantly stop missing Destiny. The game's focus on fireteams and raid activities has created social peer pressure to continually log on in order to keep from letting your friends down, paired with the fun of playing with your friends.

I remember when I quit WoW, it was like I lost 50 friends all at once. It was really rough.

This is why I think that current online game design paradigm around the social focusing on the internet is ultimately wrong. The correct way is to focus on local multiplayer, or online worlds that aren't "persistent".

When so much of the social interaction is dependent on other players online, this creates pressure to keep people playing, which in turn leads to grindy and manipulative designs, which in turn leads to having to play all the time which leads to the problem you describe.

I think a true social co-operative game would be a game that's set up like a single player RPG, but would require multiple players. It's not really that far fetched is it? Board games require multiple people. So does Dungeons and Dragons. Or poker.

Raids are the closest thing to this. You have to pre-arrange them. You can't just jump in. So what if you made your whole game that way? What if you tried to make that campaign / story experience, but have it be co-op only? Nobody has tried this, and I think it would preserve the aspect of playing with friends, while completely eliminating the need to gut your game design to manipulate people into spending way more time online than they need to.

One day I'm gonna finish this movie, and it's gonna be awesome.

Either that or Incendiary Cannon to the face until dead.

Cut back to Halo 5. After completing the campaign on Heroic, I went back and started a playthrough on Legendary. I got as far as the first battle against the Warden. After banging my head against that encounter for an hour or so, I put the game down and haven't gone back. That was 10 days ago, and I've had absolutely no interest or desire to pick it back up and try again.

Man, you were close I bet. I just beat him. I played for a little over an hour maybe? If I can do it, I'm sure you can.

Strategy turned out to be mark him immediately so your team scatters around him. Take out crawlers that spawn in front of him in one shot. Shoot/grenade him until he's paralyzed, Run up platform on the left halfway, shooting him in the back, hope a teammate follows, give teammate the heavy that's up there, then headshot the heck out of him.

One thing I miss terribly are damage bars. Perhaps there are cues I haven't picked up on yet, but every Warden I've killed surprised me when they died.

I mean, it's hard to pee in the sink while talking to friends IRL.

The only time when I ever pee in the sink is when I have a raging erection and don't feel like contorting myself to get it in the toilet. Does this mean whenever you post here you're… hard?

I mean, it's hard to pee in the sink while talking to friends IRL.

Not too hard, apparently.

So I haven't played multiplayer so I'm sure that makes a big difference. And don't get me wrong, I've loved the magnum on and off depending on the Halo game I'm playing, but so far it just hasn't felt right to me :(

Honestly, I initially felt the same way. It's a pretty "meh" weapon in the campaign (although still useful). Multiplayer is where it really shines, at least for me.

When you lose the place you normally interacted with them, it takes a lot of coordination to continue that friendship. It's still better than friends in real life. I mean, it's hard to pee in the sink while talking to friends IRL.

Heck, I've gotten to where I really don't ADS with the Magnum much; it's range is such that it's really effective right on the edge of the range where you feel like maybe you should zoom.

Wait, you USE the magnum? I thought the whole point of the magnum was as a placeholder until you picked up the first weapon you saw!

You're joking, right?

The Halo 5 Magnum destroys. I have mainly been playing Warzone Assault, so I switch the Magnum for a BR once I hit REQ level 3, but until that point, the Magnum is a beast. Hell, I've taken out plenty of people with it while they were using a BR or DMR. Those two weapons are better than the Magnum, but the Magnum is good enough that you're not just automatically screwed.

It's my tool of destruction by a pretty wide margin.

And by and even wider margin in Arena.

In short, I love the Magnum. (:

So I haven't played multiplayer so I'm sure that makes a big difference. And don't get me wrong, I've loved the magnum on and off depending on the Halo game I'm playing, but so far it just hasn't felt right to me :(

Heck, I've gotten to where I really don't ADS with the Magnum much; it's range is such that it's really effective right on the edge of the range where you feel like maybe you should zoom.

Wait, you USE the magnum? I thought the whole point of the magnum was as a placeholder until you picked up the first weapon you saw!

You're joking, right?

The Halo 5 Magnum destroys. I have mainly been playing Warzone Assault, so I switch the Magnum for a BR once I hit REQ level 3, but until that point, the Magnum is a beast. Hell, I've taken out plenty of people with it while they were using a BR or DMR. Those two weapons are better than the Magnum, but the Magnum is good enough that you're not just automatically screwed.

It's my tool of destruction by a pretty wide margin.

And by and even wider margin in Arena.

In short, I love the Magnum. (: