Season 2 is nearly over. It started with CoO, and its been almost two months since then. Seasons are presumably 3 months long.

I'm confused, because they said that the faction weapons would be gradually added during the season. How does that work if the season is almost over?

It is important, however, to acknowledge what they are doing regarding communication instead of just claiming that they still aren't doing enough.

I think his point is that they might as well actually not be saying anything. They told us nothing new. The point of the Weekly update is completely lost on me--it's been nothing but filler for months now, other than when they have new content to talk about.

More frequent communication does not equal better communication if you're not actually saying anything.

I know Bungie employee's aren't saints. I know there needs to be some improvements.
But y'all need to calm the bad word here down.

I feel like I need to approach this thread with an antidote at the ready because the entire thing is just seething with venom. I've come close to replying to some of these threads because I honestly want to add my opinion, but every time I think about doing it it just doesn't seem worth it because I feel like I'm just going to get swallowed up in the... I don't know what to call it? Pit of vipers? I mean it's just bad. And I know others who feel the same way.

This is my opinion about DBO right now. Before you talk about Bungie's communication, think about your own.

P.S. This isn't pointed directly at you Kahzgul, I had to reply to someone.

Agreed. I’m on the verge of quitting this place. I feel like I’m playing a different game than y’all and the tone around here has shifted from thoughtful critique to vitriol. I played with another long lost forum member last night and it made me think he made the right choice in stepping aside. I’ll probably stick around to use the fireteam builder, but I don’t think I’ll be reading topics for a while.

Yeah, feels like we're back to the "I must preface any praise with loads of caveats" place.

My main criticism of Bungie is that I think the "influencers" that Bungie has courted since D1 came out have outsized influence. I think they create their own preference cascade, for better or for worse, and for now it's for worse. And nothing turns me off me more than all this inside baseball hypothesizing wankery, especially when the worst assumptions are the starting point.

I know Bungie employee's aren't saints. I know there needs to be some improvements.
But y'all need to calm the bad word here down.

I feel like I need to approach this thread with an antidote at the ready because the entire thing is just seething with venom. I've come close to replying to some of these threads because I honestly want to add my opinion, but every time I think about doing it it just doesn't seem worth it because I feel like I'm just going to get swallowed up in the... I don't know what to call it? Pit of vipers? I mean it's just bad. And I know others who feel the same way.

This is my opinion about DBO right now. Before you talk about Bungie's communication, think about your own.

P.S. This isn't pointed directly at you Kahzgul, I had to reply to someone.

Agreed. I’m on the verge of quitting this place. I feel like I’m playing a different game than y’all and the tone around here has shifted from thoughtful critique to vitriol. I played with another long lost forum member last night and it made me think he made the right choice in stepping aside. I’ll probably stick around to use the fireteam builder, but I don’t think I’ll be reading topics for a while.

Also agreed.

Look, I have two pretty big projects I'm (supposedly) running here, and I've almost completely lost enthusiasm for both of them not because I'm down on Destiny, but because I come here and find a forum page full of 30ish topics where 26ish of them are specifically negative/complaints, a couple of them are unrelated to Destiny (one of those is mine about Gravity Rush 2 so I'm not saying off topic things are bad), and one or maybe two are something approaching neutral or positive. (Yes, I counted the other day. You guys know I do things like that...)

There is a definite problem here. At DBO. Unrelated to how good or bad Bungie and Destiny are doing. And it has gotten out of control. And it either has is is very very far along in driving away the people I enjoyed talking to and playing with. And I'm basically gone myself.

"But I'm just giving constructive feedback" only goes so far and covers so much before a place starts feeling intensity negative.

I would like to see less criticism. Admittedly, I haven't played much D2 the past few months, but I see all this salt & think, "really? is this game that bad? I don't/haven't had these bad experiences people are complaining about. I wonder, how much of this is just burnout..."

I really appreciate the positive topics when show up & I wish there were more. I also miss the "hey, I found something cool" posts from back in the early HBO days.

Maybe a new forum category could help. Call it "salt" or "criticism" or something & then I could just skip those threads...

Anyway, I hope I'm not one of the dozen or so... Whenever I post something critical I try to keep it constructive, or imbue it with a "I think it would be cool if" type of thing.

Edit: Also, I'd love to play w/ you on PS4 sometime.

You’re not alone Claude. There are a lot of us that feel the same way. And like you, everyone I talk to isn’t sure what to do about it. :(

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Honestly I appreciate the game more than I appreciated D1. I just don't have as much to say while the salt is flowing.

I don't want us to draw lines in the sand. But let's think about IF something needs to be posted (we don't always need to have the last line) and what we're saying.

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My biggest fear is my grill tank running out of gas half way through cooking dinner for guests.

Hang in there, fearless leader. We'll get through this like the big happy family we are.

It makes me sad to hear this :(

I've been thinking about the negativity in the community a lot lately. Negativity in an online videogame community is nothing new, but things do feel different now than any time in the past. There was plenty of complaining and disappointment in the early days of D1, for example... but I get the sense that there was also more discussion about lore, sharing of cool or funny or thrilling gameplay moments (both written and in video form), fan art. All the kinds of things that a vibrant community produces and thrives on.

I could be wrong, but I feel like there is generally a lot less of that sort of thing floating around these days (both within DBO and the larger Destiny community).
I'm not really sure why, either. I know that I've tried and failed on multiple occasions to muster up the motivation to make a montage, or take some screenshots, or have some D2-related fun with photoshop. And it's not that I like the game less than I liked D1. Quite the opposite in many ways. But I think D2 just isn't that kind of game for me, whatever that is. And that is in no way a criticism or a knock against the game. I jump in once a week or so, play for a couple hours, and have a great time. It's just not the kind of game that lights a spark in my imagination and makes me want to put creative energy towards it. I only mention this because I am usually the kind of guy who will put insane amounts of time and energy into those sorts of creations. D2 just doesn't ignite that same impulse in me, and I get the feeling that I'm not an entirely uncommon case, perhaps? I've seen a couple threads or initiatives from other members here at DBO that are examples of the kinds of creative output I'm talking about, but not very many. And again, I don't think any of this is necessarily a reflection of any "problems" with D2. I think it's totally possible for D2 to be a great game while not being "that kind of game" for as many of the fans as D1 or the Halo games were.

The thing is, even if I'm right about the lack of fan-content being a large part of why the tone feels disproportionately negative around the community, I don't know what to do about it. Because the kind of creative projects I'm talking about can't exactly be forced. The streaming community is a perfect example of what happens when you force yourself to spend crazy amounts of time and creative energy towards something that you aren't truly into... look how toxic and resentful many of those players are towards the game, all because they tried to force themselves to play Destiny for 60 hours per week EVERY WEEK and then got outraged the moment they felt a little bored (eyeroll.gif).

I don't know, maybe this is the sort of thing that just ebs and flows and we're in the middle of a low time right now? For what its worth, I still love coming to DBO, just to hear from everyone here, even if a lot of the conversation around D2 is on the negative side.

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I haven't said anything recently, but yeah, the negativity is really, really starting to get to me. It's the same half-dozen people, with the same arguments, over and over and over and over and over again. (And I'm sure there'll be a response to THIS post, saying "but I only jump in when something new happens!")

I played (alone, because I didn't see anyone on) last night on the PS4, for a few hours. I tried to solo the Nightfall. (I was unsuccessful, but I really enjoyed the attempts.) I played some Crucible. I did a few public events.

I earned enough tokens to flesh out a full armor set for the Rally Faction, and hope to find a couple of people this evening to run the Nightfall for real.

I had fun.

I'm at a point where I feel like all of the arguments about Bungie not communicating, not making the changes that people want to see, focusing too much on microtransactions... they've been made. I don't want to see them any more. (I'm not saying that as the admin here - "I don't want to see you discussing this topic any more!" - I'm saying that as a fan, who's tired of reading the same damn shit in thread after thread after thread.)

I'm thinking it might be time to turn DBO over to someone else. I don't connect with the way enough of you think any more, and I feel like your lack of enjoyment is making MY lack of enjoyment imminent. I don't want that to happen, so I think it's time to step away.

If there's someone who'd be interested in taking over the day-to-day (let's be honest, week-to-week) stuff here... let me know.

One one hand; NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

On the other; It's going to happen sooner or later any way.

Honestly as far as DBO goes, the biggest determent has been how the Story has been handled. If there was more of that, if Bungie hadn't of flipped on what the Story was going to be and all, there would be more posts on "What if" in the story to balance out the salt. A high salt diet isn't healthy all.

I mean, we're fans. What else can we do when the source of our fandom... sputters.

I expect a huge post of excitement when the Destiny 2 Ending cutscene becomes a released event. And it will be nice... or at least the idea of it is nice. One of the few things that brings my hair to attention - well the little I have anyway. :P

It's funny... this game was made to be social, but its often a very lonely experience for me. Yet for Halo... aw man. Nothing comes close to the social experience of Halo. It wasn't planned, it just worked.

Come on Bungie. Get your act together.

that a fan with the resources and talents that you have, not least of which is a great reservoir of patience, would run out of it.

I don't mean to give too much credit, but you are a big part of the tenor and tone of this place, which is something that sets this place apart from many other fan sites.

Of course you should do it only as long as it is fun for you, but I'll say what has been said by others before--you have been a paragon of how to lead a community with humility and grace, and you've set an example for other admins, who also do a pretty good job of staying humble and avoiding the temptations that come with power. This is uncommon. I know you have gently nudged more than one young person toward maturity, and more than once you've taught this old dog new tricks regarding not assuming the worst of people.

I love the DBO community. It's given me so much. I've even made it part of my PSN name, which is about as close to getting a DBO tattoo as you can get without getting one.

Do what you must, and I hope that for all our sakes, our collective mood changes soon.

I played (alone, because I didn't see anyone on)

So, this is something I have thought about discussing for a bit now, but it always slips my mind.

I don't regularly play Destiny 2 anymore. I am usually online, though, playing something else. No one ever sends me any invites to do anything. Whether that's because they just don't want to play with me, assuming I hate the game now from all my recent posts, or because they think I wont' want to play, I don't know.

I'm here to say, if anyone ever sees me online, even if I'm not playing Destiny, and you're looking to put a fireteam together, send the invite. I won't necessarily always say yes, but it'd be rare for me to. I would love tackle Nightfalls with people, or just get materials for Lost Prophecies, or whatever folks might need or want help with.

Honestly, I expect I would honestly like the game much more if I more consistently had people to do stuff with--I have fun just screwing around in patrol if it's with folks from here. The game just doesn't offer much for me personally right now, when I play it solo.

That creates a loop where I'm not playing, so I don't get invited, so I don't play, so I don't get invited . . .

This isn't some pity party saying I feel left out--I often don't bother folks with invites who aren't actively playing, either.

I'm just saying I would love to play with anyone here--send that invite!

(For whatever it's worth, I wasn't online at all last night, so this isn't really directed at you, Claude).

I totally understand how you feel. I still have fun and remain hopeful for the future. If anyone from around here still plays on xbox, be sure to add me and send a message. I haven't raided or anything with dbo people in a long time.

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I know Bungie employee's aren't saints. I know there needs to be some improvements.
But y'all need to calm the bad word here down.

I feel like I need to approach this thread with an antidote at the ready because the entire thing is just seething with venom. I've come close to replying to some of these threads because I honestly want to add my opinion, but every time I think about doing it it just doesn't seem worth it because I feel like I'm just going to get swallowed up in the... I don't know what to call it? Pit of vipers? I mean it's just bad. And I know others who feel the same way.

This is my opinion about DBO right now. Before you talk about Bungie's communication, think about your own.

P.S. This isn't pointed directly at you Kahzgul, I had to reply to someone.

You are not going to hurt my feelings. Does this, and the thread that follows much of it, involve me in any way?

I'm asking for it. Tell the truth. Again, you are not going to hurt my feelings.

I personally have never thought of any single person as a culprit. I never look into it that much. It has always just been a feeling. Some people might bring it out more than others at a given time but it feels more like an aura than anything.