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Ancient Earth Music, Ana Bray, and the Gods of Mars. (Destiny)

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, March 05, 2018, 21:37 (2236 days ago)
edited by Ragashingo, Monday, March 05, 2018, 21:42

TL;DR: I believe that Rasputin has been somehow captured by the Warmind Charlemagne on Mars, that the Hunter Ana Bray is somehow investigating this or is involved, that the next Destiny expansion Gods of Mars will revolve around these two things, and given that the Golden Age corporation Clovis Bray developed SIVA, we may be in for a wild ride!

In Destiny 2, one of the best new additions to the game are the short, open world based “Adventure” missions. These missions often pull you across a Destination’s Patrol zone while sprinkling in fun bits of story here and there.

Sometimes adventures are fairly instances off affairs, like the one in the EDZ where you transmat a bunch of Fallen explosives to the top of the mountain then lure a bunch of Cabal right into them. Other times, they are awesomely openly multiplayer, like the one where you have Failsafe interface with Nessus only to have to battle the Vex to get her back. A big part of that one occurs around the edges of a Public Event zone, and when both occur at the same time it gives the overwhelmingly hectic Destiny 1 Skywatch a run for its money.

But one of the neatest, perhaps most overlooked things that Bungie did with Adventures is hide preludes to each of the first two Destiny 2 expansions with in them. For Curse of Osiris, there’s the one Adventure where you scan Vex structures high up above the Nessus forest. At the end, your Ghost lets you know that it had some unexpected help from within the Vex systems. And that the one who provided this help signed off as “Osiris.”

Similar to this, I believe two of the Adventures on Io are pointing towards the rumored Gods of Mars expansion.

The first, Road Rage. Early on in the mission your Ghost and Asher Mir have this exchange:


Ghost: What kind of information do the Vex want from the Warmind Vault?

Asher: The Warminds had a special connection to humanities lost arts. Music, literature, film. The Vex may not understand this emotional frivolity, but they will use it as a weapon against us. If we let them.

This is the first real mention of Warminds being more than military devices. We know the Exodus Red referred to a Warmind, probably Rasputin, as “The Tyrant.” We know that Rasputin, and perhaps the other Warminds, were preparing Humanity in case something bad came out of the same nowhere that the Traveler did. We also know that Warminds were in some way on-call by researchers of the Ishtar Collective on Venus as they studied the Vex ruins there, and later in charge of Maya Sundaresh (who I believe to be the Exo Stranger)and her team on Earth as they pieced together some sort of mind displacement (time travel?) device.

But all these Golden Age references paint the Warminds in a military light. That they are or were repositories of Humanity’s art and culture is a new, Destiny 2 concept. But it could easily make sense. It wouldn’t be the first time a Bungie AI had such a connection to Humanity:

Forerunner Monitor “343 Guilty Spark”, the caretaker of Halo 04: Ridiculous! That you would imbue a warship's AI with such a wealth of knowledge! Weren't you worried it might be captured? Or destroyed?

During the Road Rage Adventure, you are tasked with killing Vex to recover the data they have been stealing from Io’s dead(?) Warmind. After you destroy the last Hydra, your Ghost chimes in with:

We got him, Asher. Looks like the Vex did steal files from the Vault. Let's see... Some files about Mars, somebody named Ana Bray... And of course lots of data on the Warmind Project. Hmm. You'll have to take a look. I hope it's useful.

Ana Bray? Interesting...

In the Adventure “Arecibo”, your Ghost detects an odd series of transmissions spread across Io. As you home in on each transmission, you find strange rotating objects, kinda like two pyramids stacked on top of one another. Each one is playing “ancient” earth music, and each has an odd quote embedded within a sub channel or some such thing.

The first of these strange beacons is playing some very old sounding music whose identity I could not suss out. It is possibly Japanese since the accompanying quote is:

Real things in the darkness seem no realer than dreams.

This is a quote from the 11th Century Japanese text, the Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu. Wikipedia tells us that:

The work recounts the life of Hikaru Genji, or "Shining Genji", the son of an ancient Japanese emperor, known to readers as Emperor Kiritsubo, and a low-ranking concubine called Lady Kiritsubo. For political reasons, the emperor removes Genji from the line of succession, demoting him to a commoner by giving him the surname Minamoto, and he pursues a career as an imperial officer. The tale concentrates on Genji's romantic life and describes the customs of the aristocratic society of the time.

Our Ghost tells us:

So it turns out, both the music and the quotation, predate the Traveler's arrival in this solar system. They're old. Maybe we activated some kind of high-tech time capsule."

The 2nd beacon is playing “Music for the Royal Firework: Overture.” This particular example was recorded by Gregor Narholz.

Wikipedia has this to say about Music for the Royal Firework:

The Music for the Royal Fireworks (HWV 351) is a wind band suite composed by George Frideric Handel in 1749 under contract of George II of Great Britain for the fireworks in London's Green Park on 27 April 1749. It was to celebrate the end of the War of the Austrian Succession and the signing of the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen) in 1748.

The encrypted quote going along with this beacon says:

Misdirected by accident or intent, intelligence can foster it's own ecstasies of growth and decay.

It is actually a paraphrase of a statement by Octavia Butler in her 1993 environmental dystopia SciFi book The Parable of the Sower. That book focuses on a woman who is forced into a cruel dystopian world after society collapses in the 2020’s. This woman eventually forms a new community who believes that it is Humanity’s destiny to someday spread to other planets.

After scanning this beacon, our Ghost says:

The wierd thing is this audio file was just updated. So... this can't be a time capsule. Someone's trying to talk to us. No, no. Some thing. This has to be an AI, right? An old *Golden Age AI. Like Failsafe...

The third beacon is playing a song called the Pipal Tree Romance. This article from Quora tells a bit about the significant of trees and the Pipal tree to Hindu culture:

Trees are sacred in India, and often associated with a god or a goddess. Some scholars believe that it is the tree that was worshipped first, maybe for its medicinal or symbolic purpose, and that the gods and goddesses came later. That may be the case but today trees are an integral part of a deity’s symbolism.

The Peepal tree is associated with Yama, the god of death and the tree is often planted outside the village near crematoriums.

The Peepal tree does not let a blade of grass grow under it. Thus Peepal tree does not allow for any rebirth and renewal. While Peepal offers shade from the sun, it offers no food. That is why it is not part of fertility ceremonies like marriage and childbirth where food-giving, rapidly renewing, plants with short lifespan such as Banana, Mango, Coconut, Betel, Rice and even grass, are included.

Thus, it emerges that in Indian thought, there are two types of sacredness – one that is associated with impermanent material reality and the other which is associated with permanent spiritual reality. The Banana and the Coconut fit into the previous category; the Peepal fits into the latter. Banana is the symbol of the flesh, constantly dying and renewing itself. Peepal is the soul – never dying, never renewing itself.

The quote that goes along with this music is:

Once war has been undertaken, no peace is made by pretending there is no war.

This is a quote from a Sanskrit poem that is important to Hinduism. Again, from the Quora article:

Mahabharata tells the story of a woman called Savitri who lost her husband as destined, one year after her marriage, near a Peepal tree. She followed Yama to the land of the dead and through determination and intelligence managed to secure back her husband’s life. In memory of that event, Hindu women go around the Peepal tree, tying seven strings around it. This is imitative magic: by symbolically going around the immortal tree, the women are binding immortality into their married life. They are securing the lives of their husband, the pillar of their household. They are protecting themselves from widowhood which is believed by most Hindus to be the worst fate for a woman.

Our Ghost concludes:

What does that mean 'by pretending there is no war?' I'm not sure I like the new guy.

From here we proceed down into Warmind Vault JYS-2 where a bunch of Vex transmat in but are repeatedly frozen by each of these songs as we clear them out. As we enter the Vault our Ghost says:

Someone must be expecting us. Is anyone here? Rasputin?

And:

You know I'm going to be really disappointed if this is all just an elaborate trap to kill us.

In this Vault are a few scannable objects:


Ghost: "The Warmind Network used to span across the entire solar system. I guess during the Collapse, it just... fragmented." - IO-JYS-1

Ghost: "Looks like this thing used to store files. Someone by the name of Bray scrubbed the data." - IO-JYS-2 (This one happens when you scan what looks like a discarded music beacon off in a dark corner.)

Ghost: "Ikora liked to say the Warminds were our only real link to Earth's history. Life with the Traveler, during the Golden Age. Pre Collapse." - IO-JYS-3

With that battle complete, our Ghost notes:

Weaponised music... Creepy quotations... All signs point to Rasputin, but. I don't understand how he could be here.

Our Ghost not understanding links back to an exchange with Ikora earlier during your time on Io during one of the storyline missions:


Ghost: So, uh… are we going to see Rasputin? Or is this some other Warmind?
Ikora: There is only one Warmind, but Rasputin is not here on Io. I believe he has been marooned on Earth ever since his network fragmented.

The fragmenting Ikora is talking about is probably the widespread disruption and destruction caused by Oryx during the Taken War… with perhaps more of the same caused by Ghaul as his Red Legion invaded the solar system.

What Ikora is saying here is that no, the Warmind we poke around in on Io was not Rasputin. Maybe its possible to guess which Warmind it was by the JYS designation of its bunker? What she is also saying is that Rasputin has been even more out of contact than normal (even in the Golden Age he was known as the Tacit King) and that she believes that he has been cut off from most of the Warmind network once more. She thinks he is stranded on Earth. Possibly in the Cosomdrome?

What happens next, though, seems to shed some light on what actually happened to Rasputin. We open a strange panel deep within the dead Warmind to find a bunch of those music beacons. One of them activates and our Ghost says:

Ah, that music... it hurts... just... give me a second... It says... 'Never ask for anything! Never for anything, and especially from those who are stronger than you. They'll make the offer themselves, and give everything themselves.'

This is a quote from The Master and Margarita by russian writer Mikhail Bulgakov. Wikipedia says:

The story concerns a visit by the devil to the officially atheistic Soviet Union.

Lots of bad thing happen in this story, but in the end “Because the Master and Margarita did not lose their faith in humanity, they are granted "peace" but are denied "light" — that is, they will spend eternity together in a shadowy yet pleasant region similar to Dante's depiction of Limbo.”

After our Ghost tells us the quote, he then says, in an increasingly distressed / altered voice:

I don’t understand. Wait. Something’s happening… Gah! Red Sand! Mars! Ice Caps! Ahhhhh!

As noted on Destinypedia the music that plays during this moment is Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony, First Movement. This is the music that Rasputin’s plays all throughout Destiny 1, most notably as Omnigul spawns in waves of enemies to fight you during the Siege of the Warmind mission in The Dark Below expansion.

So… is it Rasputin who has been sending these strange musical messages? Maybe! Almost certainly the last one is a distress signal. But, it should be noted that the rumored plot of the Gods of War expansion is that Charlemagne, a Warmind whose name we first spotted way back pre-Destiny 1.

Destinypedia again save the day with the exact references:

Charlemagne would have appeared in the original story of Destiny, and was mentioned in pre-alpha marketing material, which claimed players were to retrieve a shard of its core intelligence, but was never mentioned in the final version of the game itself.

A location in the Dust Palace called "Charlemagne's Vault" was also supposed to appear in the game and serve as the place where the player obtained Thorn, but this was also removed or never completed.

The only possible surviving reference to Charlemagne is Ghost commenting that the Dust Palace once housed "the Warmind of Mars", but this Warmind is never identified by name.

The Arecibo mission finishes with our Ghost saying:

Hey! Sorry, I spaced out for a second there. What were we doing?

This clearly indicates that this was some sort of brief hostile takeover, and not part of the music we were hearing.

So what’s going on here? I’m still pondering everything and trying to look into the quotes a bit more as I have time, but here’s what I think / hope:

1. Ana Bray a Hunter who was around as recently as Twilight Gap and who share a name with the Bray family who ran the Clovis Bray advanced research and technology corporation on Mars might be poking around Mars. Specifically in regards to Charlemagne and Rasputin.

We don’t know a lot else about Ana Bray except:

She was at Twilight Gap:

You want another story about the Twlight Gap? Ana Bray, the Hunter. We all dug deep that day. We all touched the Light in ways we never thought we could. Or should. Ana, though. When she fired the Gun, where her Golden blasts hit home, she left behind the pools of light. Like splashes of sunlight that burned and burned." —Lord Shaxx

And she has a ongoing journal in that important looking room near the entrance to the new Tower’s hanger:

Looks like a journal: Ana Bray. But I can't tell who— Pretty much the entire thing is redacted. And there are whole pages missing. Something about all this seems… wrong. Am I worrying too much?

And she has been poking around on Io recently?

2. Rasputin is in distress somewhere on Mars. Probably near one of the Martian ice caps. Rampant Speculation says that maybe he’s been captured by a reawoken Warmind named Charlemagne.

3. This all links back to my early speculation about the Gods of Mars. Embarrassingly, I missed a member of the Bray family from that list. There was also Elise Bray, who helped developed the jump ship Eon Trespass.

P.S. In the future I hope to look into possible links between the various pieces of music and their associated quotes. But not now. This thing is long enough already!

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Ancient Earth Music, Ana Bray, and the Gods of Mars.

by breitzen @, Kansas, Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 06:17 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Awesome work Raga! May can't come soon enough!

You had me at TL;DR!

by Oholiab @, Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 06:56 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

I enjoy reading these speculations. They give me hope that maybe there is a more encompassing narrative that will connect the various, seemingly disconnected subplots and lore points.

Ok, now back to read the whole thing!

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On DLC & Expansion Story Threads

by breitzen @, Kansas, Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 06:58 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

This (and having just re-run the Curse of Osiris story) got me thinking about the story threads I hope are visited in DLC versus Expansions.

While I think Osiris' story fits nicely in the DLC category, it could have been a little *more*. At least more about Osiris.

Everything Raga is saying about DLC 2 is wonderful, and I would love to have a whole Expansion on that, but we'll see what Bungie does to improve DLC's.

I think the general consensus is Expansion 1 will be back to the Hive and Sav'athun. Which I'm OK with, but we already had TTK (which was amazing, so there is that) so D2: Exp 1 needs to really distance itself from being a carbon copy of TTK.

Here are my DLC/Expansion ideas:

Destiny 2

  • Sav'athun, Mara Sov, & the Reef Expansion 1
  • Cabal Imperial Traitors take charge of the Red Legion DLC 3
  • Precurser Vex messing with Earth's Golden Age DLC 4
  • United Fallen appoint a new Kell and the return of the Queen's brother Expansion 2
  • Toland returns leading a Hive army DLC 5
  • Calus & the Cabal Empire DLC 6

Destiny 3

  • Vex Threat, Exo Stranger, and Pyramid Ships Main Campaign
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On DLC & Expansion Story Threads

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 09:32 (2235 days ago) @ breitzen

Everything Raga is saying about DLC 2 is wonderful, and I would love to have a whole Expansion on that, but we'll see what Bungie does to improve DLC's.

More likely, this is far more detailed and far better than what they will deliver. Disappointment is inevitable. That's the price you pay for leaving potential story threads dangling.

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by breitzen @, Kansas, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 09:48 (2235 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Everything Raga is saying about DLC 2 is wonderful, and I would love to have a whole Expansion on that, but we'll see what Bungie does to improve DLC's.


More likely, this is far more detailed and far better than what they will deliver. Disappointment is inevitable. That's the price you pay for leaving potential story threads dangling.

??????

Glad this is the part of my post that got commented on.

You know, I read a Winnie the Pooh book to my daughter last night about how Pooh, Tigger, and Piglet tried to show Eeyore how to be happy by doing what makes them happy. Of course, they failed because Eeyore doesn't like to eat honey, bounce, or paint. It ends with Eeyore going back to his home in Gloomy Place and looking up at the moon in a calm sky. He says something about Earthquake weather and how terrible tomorrow is going to be.

Not sure why that came to mind, but I'm going to go eat some honey.

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 10:02 (2235 days ago) @ breitzen

That reminds me of this:

:)

Wait a minute... is that Pride Rock?

by Claude Errera @, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 13:05 (2234 days ago) @ Ragashingo

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Everything the light touches…

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 14:23 (2234 days ago) @ Claude Errera

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lol

by Claude Errera @, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 14:30 (2234 days ago) @ Cody Miller

"What about the Crucible?"

"You must never go there, Guardian."

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lol

by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 15:01 (2234 days ago) @ Claude Errera

"What about the Crucible?"

"You must never go there, Guardian."

Mission accomplished.

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by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 09:55 (2235 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Everything Raga is saying about DLC 2 is wonderful, and I would love to have a whole Expansion on that, but we'll see what Bungie does to improve DLC's.


More likely, this is far more detailed and far better than what they will deliver. Disappointment is inevitable.

First of all, just... wow. That's depressing as #$%& and I'm sorry that is how you feel.

That's the price you pay for leaving potential story threads dangling.

I was never expecting Bungie to come out with a full fledged story line wrapped up in a tidy bow. Yes, it probably wasn't as complete as it could be, but I'm very happy with the potential it has and how many questions we get to ask and ponder.

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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 10:56 (2235 days ago) @ MacAddictXIV

Everything Raga is saying about DLC 2 is wonderful, and I would love to have a whole Expansion on that, but we'll see what Bungie does to improve DLC's.


More likely, this is far more detailed and far better than what they will deliver. Disappointment is inevitable.


First of all, just... wow. That's depressing as #$%& and I'm sorry that is how you feel.

That's just how I feel. Bungie's ability to tell a great story has declined steadily since Halo3, with no signs of improving.

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Ancient Earth Music, Ana Bray, and the Gods of Mars.

by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 07:28 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Thanks for putting so much effort into this. It's great to have some idea of where all those disparate bits of info I've heard might be leading.

I'm really curious how you found the source of that paraphrased quote from "The Parable of the Sower." Seems like that would be difficult to find without the text matching exactly, unless you just happened to be familiar with the material. Unless you put more time and effort than I'd be willing to searching for similar phrases.

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You've reminded me how much I enjoyed the adventures

by kidtsunami @, Atlanta, GA, Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 09:29 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

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Ancient Earth Music, Ana Bray, and the Gods of Mars.

by dogcow @, Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 09:40 (2236 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Awesome read. Makes me want to go back & play through all the adventures again (and do the ones I haven't done)

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by Durandal, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 08:24 (2235 days ago) @ Ragashingo

I see the messages as a question of Succession in the Warmind community. You have two references to princes being demoted, and then celebrations of royal succession.

If Rasputin shrugged, he may no longer be in charge of the overall Warmind network. I suspect that the main planets all had Warminds of equal capability, and that was done as a reduntant backup such that if Rasputin was taken out other warminds could take over and continue fighting. This is why Rapsutin has to take general command at the outset of the Darkness's arrival, and why his secret Loki Crown plan had a "no AI COM" review stamp.

If, as we have seen from Saladin's comments that Rasputin is no longer operating directly under the warmind procedures, the other warminds may no longer see him as a legitimate leader. In that case Charlemagne or others may vie for overal network control.

In addition, the Seraphs, of which Clovis Bray was undoubtedly a part, may still be active and manipulating the Warminds and Rasputin specifically. Someone has been entering Rasputin's vault using legitimate command codes and retina patterns for a long time. This has to be EXOs, since humans wouldn't live long enough and it does not appear to have been any Guardians known by the Iron Lords or the Vanguard.

This leaves Clovis, who saw death as "the edge of the map" and as such undoubtedly became an Exo prior to the Collapse. It also fits with "Felwinter" having to take a pseudonym, as he could be another Bray Exo and as such is being sought for additional warmind codes.

Ana Bray isn't an Exo as far as we know, so she may not have known the details of the post collapse Bray plan, but she certainly would have sought out more information if only out of curiosity about her past. She may have discovered a part of the truth, or the existence of the Seraphs post Twilight Gap and had to hide in order to escape their attention. She's also tied to the Vex, and the probes seem to specifically effect the Vex. The Warminds were in part designed based on the clear threat the Vex represented to early Humanity. The Vex were heavily studied and had Warminds dedicated to that study. The probes may have been an attempt to get more guardian support, but then the Seraph's intervened and wiped them.

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 10:21 (2235 days ago) @ Durandal

I see the messages as a question of Succession in the Warmind community. You have two references to princes being demoted, and then celebrations of royal succession.

One thing I was getting was both of the stories had women heavily involved in the stories helping out royalty or some such thing. I’ll have to look closer but could that be part of the intent there?


If Rasputin shrugged, he may no longer be in charge of the overall Warmind network. I suspect that the main planets all had Warminds of equal capability, and that was done as a reduntant backup such that if Rasputin was taken out other warminds could take over and continue fighting. This is why Rapsutin has to take general command at the outset of the Darkness's arrival, and why his secret Loki Crown plan had a "no AI COM" review stamp.

Rasputin is called “first-among-equals” in Ghost Fragment: Old Russia 3. From the general feel of things, its always looked to me like Rasputin lead Humanity’s forces (including its other Warminds) in a losing struggle against the Darkness and that Rasputin eventually went his own way only after the other Warminds had been killed.


If, as we have seen from Saladin's comments that Rasputin is no longer operating directly under the warmind procedures, the other warminds may no longer see him as a legitimate leader. In that case Charlemagne or others may vie for overal network control.

In addition, the Seraphs, of which Clovis Bray was undoubtedly a part, may still be active and manipulating the Warminds and Rasputin specifically. Someone has been entering Rasputin's vault using legitimate command codes and retina patterns for a long time. This has to be EXOs, since humans wouldn't live long enough and it does not appear to have been any Guardians known by the Iron Lords or the Vanguard.

This leaves Clovis, who saw death as "the edge of the map" and as such undoubtedly became an Exo prior to the Collapse. It also fits with "Felwinter" having to take a pseudonym, as he could be another Bray Exo and as such is being sought for additional warmind codes.

Felwinter taking a pseudonym is one of the most interesting, out of the way, barely mentioned mysteries in all of Destiny. It make me happy that someone else knows about it! It is super interesting that it was (probably) a Ghost that told the Exo that became known as Felwinter to change his name. Tying that back to the Bray family is a neat idea indeed!


Ana Bray isn't an Exo as far as we know, so she may not have known the details of the post collapse Bray plan, but she certainly would have sought out more information if only out of curiosity about her past. She may have discovered a part of the truth, or the existence of the Seraphs post Twilight Gap and had to hide in order to escape their attention. She's also tied to the Vex, and the probes seem to specifically effect the Vex. The Warminds were in part designed based on the clear threat the Vex represented to early Humanity. The Vex were heavily studied and had Warminds dedicated to that study. The probes may have been an attempt to get more guardian support, but then the Seraph's intervened and wiped them.

My guess is the Seven Seraph organization is all dead. They have barely ever been mentioned and the best mention was the Cosmodrome ride along stream several years ago. In it, Bungie said that the Seven Seraphs helped build (some of?) the Warmind bunkers in case of massive external attack. I’ve always attributed the authorized entrances to Rasputin’s bunker to the Exo Stranger... Or perhaps “Felwinter.”

Hmm... now that you bring it up, maybe Felwinter’s Lie wasn’t his fake offer of peace to Citan but was instead his false name?? I’m pretty sure Felwinter’s SIVA-ed remains are one of the three Guardians we fight at the end of the Lords of Iron though... Along with Jolder... and someone else...

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by Durandal, Wednesday, March 07, 2018, 12:36 (2234 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Hmm... now that you bring it up, maybe Felwinter’s Lie wasn’t his fake offer of peace to Citan but was instead his false name?? I’m pretty sure Felwinter’s SIVA-ed remains are one of the three Guardians we fight at the end of the Lords of Iron though... Along with Jolder... and someone else...<

We are not sure what his lie is, but we know he's connected to Rasputin, and had reason to believe he could get Rasputin to listen to him. I find it interesting that the Vanguard considered Rasputin to be dead, even if you had direct experience with Saladin and the Iron Lords of Rasputin's existence during the initial attempt on the Replication Chamber.

I'm unsure why Saladin kept that information from the Vanguard, and let them think Rasputin had perished. It does seem though that the Warmind networks destruction is precluded on their absence. While the Io bunker is clearly breached, it still seems somewhat operational, and we don't get down to the server chamber that should echo the one in the Voluspsa Protocol mission for Joyuse.

Rasputin's last transmission to all the Warminds caused them to go dark, so it may have been that command that created the impression that they were destroyed. The line "FENRIR HEART reports complete operational mortality." must be a reference to the military assets, not the leadership assets as most of my skimming of that phrase specifically refers to combat troops.

If Rasputin was playing possum, and commanded all other warminds to do the same, it is quite possible that a number could still be operational. The next question of course is why don't they reactivate now, with Rasputin back up and running?

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