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World Building over storytelling (Off-Topic)

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, September 03, 2021, 11:31 (17 days ago)

https://variety.com/2021/film/reviews/dune-review-spectacular-and-engrossing-until-it-isnt-1235051928

Here’s one useful definition of a great sci-fi fantasy film. It’s one in which the world-building is awesome but not more essential than the storytelling… Viewed in that light, “Dune” is a movie that earns five stars for world-building and about two-and-a-half for storytelling.

Sounds familiar.

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by squidnh3, Friday, September 03, 2021, 11:42 (17 days ago) @ Cody Miller

It sounds good enough for me at the moment, but isn't this foreseeable given the Part 1 thing? In the book that's certainly right when things get "woozy and amorphous" in the words of the critic.

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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, September 03, 2021, 13:07 (17 days ago) @ squidnh3

It sounds good enough for me at the moment, but isn't this foreseeable given the Part 1 thing? In the book that's certainly right when things get "woozy and amorphous" in the words of the critic.

This is exactly the point. Much like Destiny, you don’t get to do a ton of world building while neglecting the story, with the promise that it’ll all make sense or be satisfying later.

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by squidnh3, Friday, September 03, 2021, 13:37 (17 days ago) @ Cody Miller

It sounds good enough for me at the moment, but isn't this foreseeable given the Part 1 thing? In the book that's certainly right when things get "woozy and amorphous" in the words of the critic.


This is exactly the point. Much like Destiny, you don’t get to do a ton of world building while neglecting the story, with the promise that it’ll all make sense or be satisfying later.

I think you can do whatever you want if people want what you are selling them, but this seems different than Destiny given the fact that it's an adaptation and we kinda know how it goes.

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by cheapLEY @, Friday, September 03, 2021, 13:51 (17 days ago) @ Cody Miller

It sounds good enough for me at the moment, but isn't this foreseeable given the Part 1 thing? In the book that's certainly right when things get "woozy and amorphous" in the words of the critic.


This is exactly the point. Much like Destiny, you don’t get to do a ton of world building while neglecting the story, with the promise that it’ll all make sense or be satisfying later.

Given the popularity of both Dune and Destiny, I’d say the exact opposite of what you’re saying is true.

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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, September 07, 2021, 19:17 (12 days ago) @ cheapLEY

It sounds good enough for me at the moment, but isn't this foreseeable given the Part 1 thing? In the book that's certainly right when things get "woozy and amorphous" in the words of the critic.


This is exactly the point. Much like Destiny, you don’t get to do a ton of world building while neglecting the story, with the promise that it’ll all make sense or be satisfying later.


Given the popularity of both Dune and Destiny, I’d say the exact opposite of what you’re saying is true.

Dune was not released in 2 parts…

And Destiny has many strengths besides the narrative.

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by cheapLEY @, Tuesday, September 07, 2021, 21:32 (12 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Dune was not released in 2 parts…

Correct—it was released in like 30 parts, and 27 of them fucking suck.

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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, September 07, 2021, 23:40 (12 days ago) @ cheapLEY

Dune was not released in 2 parts…


Correct—it was released in like 30 parts, and 27 of them fucking suck.

Fun fact: the twitter handle of Brian Herbert is "DuneAuthor"

lol

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by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, September 08, 2021, 06:15 (12 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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by CyberKN ⌂ @, Still has a line in the sand, Friday, September 03, 2021, 12:06 (17 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Having read Dune for the first time earlier this year, yeah, that sounds about right.

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by INSANEdrive, ಥ_ಥ | f(ಠ‿↼)z | ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ| \[T]/, Friday, September 03, 2021, 14:11 (17 days ago) @ Cody Miller

https://variety.com/2021/film/reviews/dune-review-spectacular-and-engrossing-until-it-isnt-1235051928

Here’s one useful definition of a great sci-fi fantasy film. It’s one in which the world-building is awesome but not more essential than the storytelling… Viewed in that light, “Dune” is a movie that earns five stars for world-building and about two-and-a-half for storytelling.


Sounds familiar.

1st: On the Dune (2021) side of things, there is as of this posting currently 27 reviews for this movie. It stands at 85%, with 27 reviews, that's 4 Rotten & 23 Fresh. This Variety.com review is one of the 4 current "rotten" reviews.

2nd: As ever the pattern, it is obvious there is some point attempted here upon Destiny because... erm... quota? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ... this take is increasingly out of date, if not by now rotten as the review aforementioned. Instead the discussion should be on how much Destinies presentation of story has improved in-game (at least for we mere mortals), but I guess hur-der Destiny bad still. There was CERTAINLY a time for such but is now, as I state again, is ever increasingly woefully out of date.

3rd: None of this needed to be said, and so for me to feel that my post is worth posting, I shall now pay the internet obligated cat tax.

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by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Saturday, September 04, 2021, 07:42 (16 days ago) @ Cody Miller

I think you’re making a category error. Doing a decent job of adapting Dune almost requires breaking it up into multiple movies. It makes sense that the first one would focus on world building. Those hoping for a complete story arc might be expecting dessert for the appetizer.

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by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, September 04, 2021, 19:57 (15 days ago) @ Kermit

Still annoyed they'll first wait for the first movie's (which apparently covers about half of the book) success before commiting to a sequel, though...

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by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Saturday, September 04, 2021, 20:20 (15 days ago) @ ZackDark

Still annoyed they'll first wait for the first movie's (which apparently covers about half of the book) success before committing to a sequel, though...

Yeah, I'm worried about that--especially with Covid and all. It would be a great shame if the rest of it did not get made. I'm re-reading Dune now. It's a marvel of world-building, and that's a big part of what makes it so great. But it also casts a spell that keeps you reading to see what happens. The movie, if it works, should do the same. If the novel doesn't work its magic, you put it down, but people will sit through a movie regardless, especially if they're paid to write about it. If you're focusing on the illogic of the 'thopters like that reviewer did, I'd say definitively that the magic isn't working.

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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Thursday, September 09, 2021, 11:30 (11 days ago) @ Kermit

Bungie Announces Key Talent Additions and Investments at the Executive Level in Preparation for Future IP Growth and Expanding the Highly-Acclaimed and Successful Destiny Universe into New Media.

This is going to be critical for crafting affecting Destiny stories in film / tv. Bungie will have to deal with this, and grapple with making a successful adaptation.

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