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What is your favorite and least favorite raid? (Destiny)

by Anna Komnene, Monday, October 31, 2022, 15:21 (34 days ago)

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, October 31, 2022, 16:27 (34 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

Fav: Kings Fall
Least Fav: Spire of Stars

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Why?

by Anna Komnene, Monday, October 31, 2022, 17:05 (34 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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Why?

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, October 31, 2022, 18:45 (34 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

Well, King's fall had great atmosphere, was the climax of a story thread that spanned many actual missions, and was super fun to figure out blind.

Spire of Stars was none of those things.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Korny @, Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Monday, October 31, 2022, 16:51 (34 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

My favorite would be Crota's End. I guess because it was essentially a glorified Dungeon prototype (especially since we were 3-manning it by the end of D1), and Dungeons are my thing... but that mad dash through the darkness as an endless flood of enemies overwhelmed you is an experience that has remained unmatched in the Destiny experience.


Least favorite is a heck of a list to pick from, but the absolute worst would would be Garden of Salvation. It's far too unforgiving for individual mess-ups with no slack to adapt with, and the secrets and challenges are far too tedious. But at least it didn't have 500 symbols to memorize like Last Wish did. Ugh.
I think if you added my Garden of Salvation, Scourge, and Last Wish runs, you'd still be in the single digits (not counting the final boss farming we did helping folks get Anarchy before the sunset).

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Do you even have to ask?

by CyberKN ⌂ @, Oh no, Destiny 2 seems complicated, Monday, October 31, 2022, 19:07 (34 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

I don't think anything in Destiny has matched the OG Vault. Some stuff has come close...ish, but I've lost hope that the raid team at bungie is at all interested in pushing the envelope in the same way VoG did when it first launched. It feels like every raid since has just been tepid rehashes of the same (or inferior) mechanics.

Least favorite is probably King's Fall. It starts out really good and then just nose-dives into the opposite of fun town.

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lol

by Anna Komnene, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 00:59 (33 days ago) @ CyberKN

Played VoG about two weeks ago, and I was surprised by how... bad it was. The boss section (before Atheon and Atheon himself) are pretty fun, but that middle section really drags, and the opening encounter is quite simple as to border on boring.

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lol

by cheapLEY @, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 07:38 (33 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

I’d never go so far as to call it bad, but I agree with your point. Bungie’s raid design has come a long way.

I don’t think they’ve made a bad raid. Deep Stone Crypt is probably at the top for me. Both the actual mechanical design and aesthetics are great. Vow of the Disciple is also really good, and I appreciate the final boss actually moving around and not relying on huddling in a bubble or well.

Last Wish was an absolutely incredible blind experience, and Shuro Chi remains one my favorite encounters, but large parts of that raid quickly became tedious more than fun.

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lol

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 19:39 (33 days ago) @ cheapLEY

I don’t think they’ve made a bad raid. Deep Stone Crypt is probably at the top for me. Both the actual mechanical design and aesthetics are great. Vow of the Disciple is also really good, and I appreciate the final boss actually moving around and not relying on huddling in a bubble or well.

Last Wish was an absolutely incredible blind experience, and Shuro Chi remains one my favorite encounters, but large parts of that raid quickly became tedious more than fun.

Agree with all points.

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Yeah, cyber was there. :)

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 13:31 (33 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

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about the VoG opening

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Thursday, November 03, 2022, 08:41 (31 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

... the opening encounter is quite simple as to border on boring.

Yet I remembering failing at it. It was the introduction to Destiny raiding for all of us. In that regard I think it was an appropriately simple fireteam activity.

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Do you even have to ask?

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 08:06 (33 days ago) @ CyberKN

I don't think anything in Destiny has matched the OG Vault. Some stuff has come close...ish, but I've lost hope that the raid team at bungie is at all interested in pushing the envelope in the same way VoG did when it first launched. It feels like every raid since has just been tepid rehashes of the same (or inferior) mechanics.

I think this is just the natural consequence of learning the 'language' of raiding. VoG was such a mind trip because it was the first, and we didn't have any idea of what a raid could be or what was possible.

Now, I haven't played a raid since Last Wish, but are bosses still:

1. Survive until you can make them vulnerable
2. Do a thing to make them vulnerable
3. Burn them
4. Back to 1

Have they at least moved beyond THAT? Mind blowing when you figured that out for the Templar for the first time, but expected at this point yeah?

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Do you even have to ask?

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 14:28 (33 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Now, I haven't played a raid since Last Wish, but are bosses still:

1. Survive until you can make them vulnerable
2. Do a thing to make them vulnerable
3. Burn them
4. Back to 1

Have they at least moved beyond THAT? Mind blowing when you figured that out for the Templar for the first time, but expected at this point yeah?

They have! Which is yet another reason for me to dislike King's Fall returning lol

The Caretaker, for instance, is constantly climbing up and you have to make him vulnerable while blocking his progress WHILE doing the other mechanic. If you just do the mechanic, there's not enough time. On top of that, the "Enraged" thing for his fight is pretty well implemented too. The entire encounter move up floors too. Vow is such a treat.

*unless you're a god-tier streamer with Eager Edge swords, apparently

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Monday, October 31, 2022, 19:23 (34 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

Favorite: Leviathan. I really liked how diverse it is.

Least favorite: King's Fall. Totems at the entrance of the Warpriest is in my top 3 favorite Raid encounters, but I really do feel very meh about boss rushes and boy does KF deliver that.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 08:13 (33 days ago) @ ZackDark

Favorite: Leviathan. I really liked how diverse it is.

Up until that point, raids always felt like you were intruding. Fighting your way deep into a place you shouldn't be… for me it was weird that story wise this raid welcomed you in and was built specifically for you.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 10:31 (33 days ago) @ Cody Miller

I recently started playing again after a long period away and that was the last raid I did. Always found Calus super interesting for exactly that reason. He's an adversary and yet... also maybe wants to work together? Kinda felt like he wanted to turn us, like a Sidious/Luke situation. I never really got to find out but it was cool.

What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by EffortlessFury @, Sunday, November 13, 2022, 10:07 (21 days ago) @ stabbim

I recently started playing again after a long period away and that was the last raid I did. Always found Calus super interesting for exactly that reason. He's an adversary and yet... also maybe wants to work together? Kinda felt like he wanted to turn us, like a Sidious/Luke situation. I never really got to find out but it was cool.

AFAIK, Calus hasn't really been relevant since then, until now.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by squidnh3, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 10:38 (33 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

Scourge of the Past and Last Wish are 1A and 1B for me. Scourge is all-killer-no-filler, and Last Wish just has the most of the best encounters (and one I don't like).

Least is VoG, but I'm still happy to play it.

Honorable mention to Crown of Sorrow, which I have the fondest memories of for overcoming difficulties and truly mastering the final encounter.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by ManKitten, The Stugotz is strong in me., Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 12:16 (33 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

I'm not a raider so I have minimal exposure. I've been carried through every one I've done.

Fav: Vault of Glass. Got my Vision of Confluence on first attempt not knowing it was a meta weapon (at the time). I just thought it was another Scout and thought it was pretty good. I was able to understand the tactics and complete the tasks without frustrating my teammates.

Worst: Kings Fall. First attempt, we played for 8 hours and still didn't complete it. The encounter where we have to fight that big Ogre with the bubble stalagmite things took us 5 hours. Our sherpa was trying to get the weekly challenge, and I didn't realize that. I just wanted to beat the thing. Tried the next day with a new Sherpa and beat the whole raid in 3 hours. 4 people in the group were first timers.

All the other raids, each encounter was over my head. I would just follow directions and not know why I was doing anything. Just tell me what to do and I'll shoot aliens along the way.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 14:25 (33 days ago) @ ManKitten

Our sherpa was trying to get the weekly challenge, and I didn't realize that.

Big yikes. That's a tricky one to stealthly sherpa through

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 20:40 (32 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

I love them all, really, even the raid lairs. Raiding is what makes Destiny special, IMHO.

There are some encounters I'm not a big fan of, but there's always at least one that I love in every raid. I hated the sisters in the original King's Fall, but the jumps are easier now, and I only freak out a little when I get taken. I think King's Fall and Leviathan are both too long.

Deep Stone Crypt is the best all around. Best aesthetic, and it has some of the best unexpected sequences of any raid.

Garden is probably my least favorite. It's unpredictable and unforgiving. You can sail through it without a problem one week and struggle the next with the same people. That said, I'll never forget the first time I ran for my life across that poppy field.


Bonus favorite encounters of each raid in order:

Atheon

Crossing the bridge

Oryx

Siege Engine

The Gauntlet

Breaking Argos' barrier (runner up: the holomap)

Repel the assault (pitching orbs at ships in space!)

Sparrow Race

Shiro Chi (runner up: the vault)

Fighting Gahlran's deceptions

Evade the Consecrated Mind (first encounter)

The Descent (chaos mode)

Defending the obelisks (runner up: exhibition when it goes well)

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Morpheus @, High Charity, Wednesday, November 02, 2022, 14:04 (32 days ago) @ Anna Komnene

Such good times...

although I love Vault of Glass, my favorite would have to be Crota's End. Really if nothing else, the memories that have permanently lodged themselves into my brain. Nothing in the universe can ever top this moment. That music alone inspired me to be the best at my craft:swordbearing!

And there's another moment I always love—not gonna lie, I can't remember exactly who I shared this with, but I'm 90% sure it was with DBO. Doing the bridge encounter, most people were having trouble getting across in time to kill the Swordbearer Knight, and losing the only way to kill him. So the guy holding the bridge up on the far side in the middle had to continually sprint in a circle to keep the bridge up while avoiding the growing number of Sword Knights trying to kill him! Literally all I could hear was the constant WHOOSHING of swords, our middle guy(I think it was Funkmon, or Stabbim?) screaming and sobbing while literally running with his head cut off, and all of us laughing so hard we couldn't even do our jobs. I swear, I thought I was going to suffocate in real life from laughing so hard...

For Destiny 2 I'd definitely have to say Crown of Sorrow—even though the original Leviathan is real close. CoS nailed the whole Duality theme, and maintained it throughout the entire raid, but also kept it relatively short, so that it felt more like a Raid Lair instead.


As for least faves, it would have to be King's Fall. In my opinion, King's Fall is actually one of the best planned and most lore-perfect raids they've ever done. But what unfortunately knocks it to the bottom is the absolute rigidity in making the mechanics work. Not only do all six of you have to be perfect, but all six of your internet connections have to be perfect, too—otherwise you'll be in a constant state of wipes, even if everyone is doing their job and doing it right. Speaking of, in most cases even one death can be enough to tear a whole attempt apart, depending on the job, or again, the internet connection. And when it's not even your fault, you want to play less and less. I guarantee you at least 20% of my accumulated time in Destiny 1 was waiting for someone to answer an LFG in the final area. Not fun.

In D2, I'd have to agree with whoever said Garden of Salvation. None of that raid is fun to me. I've only played it twice in my life, and one of those was for Divinity. ALSO not fun. But even so, it has to tie with Spire of Stars. THAT junk was such a mess I ended up accidentally completing a full catalyst for Rat King—0 to 100—just on retries alone. Nope.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by Kermit @, Raleigh, NC, Wednesday, November 02, 2022, 15:08 (32 days ago) @ Morpheus


In D2, I'd have to agree with whoever said Garden of Salvation. None of that raid is fun to me. I've only played it twice in my life, and one of those was for Divinity. ALSO not fun. But even so, it has to tie with Spire of Stars. THAT junk was such a mess I ended up accidentally completing a full catalyst for Rat King—0 to 100—just on retries alone. Nope.

The Divinity puzzles are my favorite part of that raid.

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What is your favorite and least favorite raid?

by CyberKN ⌂ @, Oh no, Destiny 2 seems complicated, Wednesday, November 02, 2022, 17:43 (32 days ago) @ Kermit


The Divinity puzzles are my favorite part of that raid.

+1 looking forward to doing them again.

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