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Kotaku explores recent Destiny backlash... (Destiny)

by Korny @, Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 17:35 (3451 days ago)

While, surprisingly enough, coming to Luke's defense...

Read here!

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Even the interviewer says it was good natured

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 17:39 (3451 days ago) @ Korny

I wish he would've mentioned that IN the article.

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Even the interviewer says it was good natured

by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:56 (3451 days ago) @ Xenos

Am I missing something with this whole interview situation? I just don't see why everyone thinks Luke was being bad-tempered or behaved badly. I didn't care for the answers given, but only because it's the same sort of pretend-I-don't-see-the-problem stuff we always get from developers who are pressed on pricing questions. I didn't think Luke handled it badly compared to anyone else.

I do wish big developers felt like they could be honest with people about things like that, but they don't. A combination of PR policies and fear of the internet rage mobs keeps that from being a realistic expectation, I think.

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Even the interviewer says it was good natured

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:58 (3451 days ago) @ stabbim

Am I missing something with this whole interview situation? I just don't see why everyone thinks Luke was being bad-tempered or behaved badly. I didn't care for the answers given, but only because it's the same sort of pretend-I-don't-see-the-problem stuff we always get from developers who are pressed on pricing questions. I didn't think Luke handled it badly compared to anyone else.

I do wish big developers felt like they could be honest with people about things like that, but they don't. A combination of PR policies and fear of the internet rage mobs keeps that from being a realistic expectation, I think.

I see it the same way you do, I'm mostly annoyed at the way GI handled it since they painted it to look negative without any context.

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Even the interviewer says it was good natured

by Vortech @, A Fourth Wheel, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:58 (3451 days ago) @ stabbim

I think it boils down to two things. One he said things that people didn't actually want to have him say. And two, that phrase about how he wanted to poke at the developer sounds intrinsically bad even if I think in context it had a slightly different meaning.

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Even the interviewer says it was good natured

by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:09 (3451 days ago) @ Vortech

I think it boils down to two things. One he said things that people didn't actually want to have him say. And two, that phrase about how he wanted to poke at the developer sounds intrinsically bad even if I think in context it had a slightly different meaning.

Also, Text vs video or even audio makes a HUGE difference. You start thinking the worst from the context.

I mean DBO wouldn't know anything about this right?

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Luke does better

by breitzen @, Kansas, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:10 (3451 days ago) @ Vortech

when being recorded. The way he talks doesn't translate as smoothly onto paper because he's doesn't have a PR filter. He's upfront, honest, and without things like tone to put words into context this kind of crap happens.

This is the same guy we were praising last week for his awesome video interview.

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Cody does better

by Schedonnardus, Texas, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:19 (3451 days ago) @ breitzen

when being recorded. The way he talks doesn't translate as smoothly onto paper because he's doesn't have a PR filter. He's upfront, honest, and without things like tone to put words into context this kind of crap happens.

word substitution is fun. I mean if we can make excuses for luke, why not cody ;)

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Don't we all

by breitzen @, Kansas, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:36 (3451 days ago) @ Schedonnardus

I've heard Cody is a awesome person to chat with in person! I hope I have that opportunity. :)

word substitution is fun. I mean if we can make excuses for luke, why not cody ;)

I'm certianly not trying to make excuses or telling anyone they don't have a right to feel a certain way. I am trying to remind us all of context. Also, not to make assumptions or point fingers, but guess who's website has generated a ton of traffic the last 24 hours? ;)

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DBO???

by Leviathan ⌂, Hotel Zanzibar, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 22:11 (3450 days ago) @ breitzen

Also, not to make assumptions or point fingers, but guess who's website has generated a ton of traffic the last 24 hours? ;)

...Right?

*Goes looks at front page.*

Ah... shit. My bad.

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lol :)

by breitzen @, Kansas, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 00:41 (3450 days ago) @ Leviathan

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That's a good write up.

by slycrel ⌂, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:59 (3451 days ago) @ Korny

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Yeah, Kotaku nailed it. I completely agree with it.

by Kahzgul, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 21:26 (3451 days ago) @ slycrel

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by DreadPirateWes, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 02:21 (3450 days ago) @ Kahzgul

He gets too much love here for my tastes.

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by Funkmon @, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 02:23 (3450 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by car15, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 02:52 (3450 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes

DeeJ is a cool guy. I think he does the best he can with what he has to work with, which sometimes isn't much.

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 12:08 (3450 days ago) @ car15

DeeJ is a cool guy. I think he does the best he can with what he has to work with, which sometimes isn't much.

Not to mention, can you imagine being in his shoes? Holy shit, to have everything you say picked apart by the destiny community?

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Community Managers have a Thankless Job

by Kahzgul, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:30 (3450 days ago) @ MacAddictXIV

And Deej does a pretty good job at it. I would never want to be the spokes-hole for a much beloved company that is having advertising and marketing handled by Voldemort.

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Community Managers have a Thankless Job

by RaichuKFM @, Northeastern Ohio, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:02 (3450 days ago) @ Kahzgul

a much beloved company that is having advertising and marketing handled by Voldemort.

Nice to see snake people getting some representation in the industry, though.

Oh, sorry, I meant millennials.

Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by DreadPirateWes, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 16:34 (3450 days ago) @ car15

DeeJ is a cool guy. I think he does the best he can with what he has to work with, which sometimes isn't much.

He gets a hard time online and doesn't deserve most of it, but cmon... "cool"???
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I have disliked the tone of his writing for some time. I'm not sure when my feelings changed, but now everything he writes sounds condescending to me. This quote from the article sums up my feelings pretty well:
"Personally, I’m bugged more by DeeJ’s subsequent responses than I was by Smith’s initial comments. DeeJ is probably a perfectly charming man in real life, but he has always come off as a smarmy presence on Destiny’s various message boards, often responding to widespread player concerns with a jokey, condescending tone that feels out of touch with the community. His second response in particular stands out to me—how he’s sure to start by telling the person to whom he’s responding that the collector’s edition has sold out, before noting “but that’s not the point. Right?” The way he begins his promise of better rewards by telling us what “the real conversation here is,” as if the players who started this conversation need to be reminded what it is."

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by Xenos @, Shores of Time, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 17:02 (3450 days ago) @ DreadPirateWes

I have disliked the tone of his writing for some time. I'm not sure when my feelings changed, but now everything he writes sounds condescending to me. This quote from the article sums up my feelings pretty well:
"Personally, I’m bugged more by DeeJ’s subsequent responses than I was by Smith’s initial comments. DeeJ is probably a perfectly charming man in real life, but he has always come off as a smarmy presence on Destiny’s various message boards, often responding to widespread player concerns with a jokey, condescending tone that feels out of touch with the community. His second response in particular stands out to me—how he’s sure to start by telling the person to whom he’s responding that the collector’s edition has sold out, before noting “but that’s not the point. Right?” The way he begins his promise of better rewards by telling us what “the real conversation here is,” as if the players who started this conversation need to be reminded what it is."

I honestly usually appreciate his tone. Bungie has always been a little condescending and border-line insulting, it's part of the way they work, which I always find much more genuine than companies who act like a parent comforting their child (and often don't end up making any changes).

On an unrelated note though, I found his message to be more about the fact that people complain about the price, but it's already sold out, so it must not be THAT widespread of a complaint. The "the real conversation here is" was showing that Bungie (and DeeJ) KNOW what the issue is, not that he's reminding them.

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Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by Funkmon @, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:01 (3450 days ago) @ Xenos

I honestly usually appreciate his tone. Bungie has always been a little condescending and border-line insulting, it's part of the way they work, which I always find much more genuine than companies who acts like a parent comforting their child (and often don't end up making any changes).

I thought "nah..." and just went through the community guys I can remember vividly. Soell was like that. Frankie was like that. Lukems was definitely like that. KP wrote those things for like 6 months and he was like that. Uhhhh...I don't have any clear memories of anyone else.

You might be right.

Glad to read a negative DeeJ review

by Claude Errera @, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:04 (3450 days ago) @ Funkmon

I honestly usually appreciate his tone. Bungie has always been a little condescending and border-line insulting, it's part of the way they work, which I always find much more genuine than companies who acts like a parent comforting their child (and often don't end up making any changes).


I thought "nah..." and just went through the community guys I can remember vividly. Soell was like that. Frankie was like that. Lukems was definitely like that. KP wrote those things for like 6 months and he was like that. Uhhhh...I don't have any clear memories of anyone else.

You might be right.

Sketch was rarely like that - but he was definitely the exception. :)

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That one wasn't terrible...

by Leviathan ⌂, Hotel Zanzibar, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 22:39 (3450 days ago) @ Korny

...but it wasn't great. I didn't need his opinions at the end throwing in all Destiny fans into an angry mob. And we apparently read Deej's tone very differently.

As it stands, I don't think Luke handled the interview perfectly, but I also think the interview was presented terribly.

I'm not in love with the Taken King package options; it's also nothing different than what games have been doing for a decade.

I'd love a compromise, but I don't think an uninformed, click-bait-journalism-fueled pitchfork mob is the way to make it happen, especially when the collector's edition is already sold out.

I think the biggest problem is how open Bungie is. The more open they are, like creating a weekly update to try and keep everyone in the loop, the more people want, the more entitled they feel, the more they complain. There's great feedback in that, but there's also a lot of overwhelming, distracting noise. I don't know.

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+1

by RaichuKFM @, Northeastern Ohio, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 12:33 (3450 days ago) @ Leviathan

=-(i^2)

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I don't understand

by red robber @, Crawfish Country, Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 22:57 (3450 days ago) @ Korny

all the butthurt about Bungie. People seem to take gaming way to seriously these days.

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+1

by unoudid @, Somewhere over the rainbow, Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 02:50 (3450 days ago) @ red robber

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