If all you are mature enough to do is parrot my past words back at me while ignoring the topic at hand, then I see no reason to continue this further. You clearly aren't ready to have a grown-up conversation.

Good day, sir!

I didn't bother watching the youtube link. It was probably too mature for me anyway.

I have enjoyed the parallels between this conversation and the witchhunting one because of the kind of role reversal that has been going on. So I was curious how you and Kermit would react when presented with that.

I see no difference between the severity of what you said to me in this thread and what I previously said to you in the other, yet in that thread you took offense to my words and immediately the thread topic was ignored and it became about what words I used and nothing else.

You set me up so perfectly to see how you would react to the same behavior. The same words, even. How would Ragashingo respond to Ragashingo? I have my answer, and I'll now let you have the last word.

I have been exceptionally transparent in this thread, I don't know why there is any confusion. This thread has become like debating the Trolley Problem--there is no universal solution. You guys might think the correct solution is to walk away and not participate, but I saw a potential for my agenda to benefit.

Enjoy your Red Bull.

Now that my memory has been jogged about that old debate, I'll just say that the big issue for me was you making assumptions about Raga's motives. (Most of us who post a lot and get into debates have been guilty of that at some point--it's a bad sign if I'm unhappy and I'm beginning a sentence with "You ...".) Declaring what Raga's ends were, and stating that he intended harm became a big part of the debate.

The difference here is that the debate began after you clearly stated what your ends were. The debate here was about whether your ends justified your means.

I'm glad I was able to make things simpler for everyone involved by actually having a clear understanding of the cause and effects involved and aligning my motivations with reality.

It's kind of like you guys are trying to have a debate at me. Like I'm somehow concerned about whether my ends justify my means.

I've also learned that "you" is Kermit and Ragashingo's trigger word. You guys.

I'm pretty sure none of the arguments that happen on this form would really happen face to face, when we can use non-text communication clues. When 3 letters can derail an entire conversation, I think you guys had/have as bad an assumption about my motivations in using that word as you claim I had about Ragashingo's motivations in witchhunting.

I should have probably said this a long time ago, and I doubt you'll believe me or care, but let me try to express it now. I don't choose my words carefully. You'll know that if you ever talk to me in person or maybe you've picked it up on Xbox Live. So I kind've wrote this off internally as a "maybe it's just how I talk" thing, but let me give an example.

Have you ever used "you" in a more general sense?

Let's say someone is telling you about how their friend cheated on their girlfriend but is now trying to get her back and keeps telling her he loves her.

You might make a comment like:

"That's ridiculous, if you love someone you wouldn't cheat on them."

Sure, in a way "you" is referring to that specific friend, that individual person. But at the same time, it has a real meaning in a more general sense in terms of the circumstances. "You" could refer to anyone and is more a commentary on the situation.

Honestly, that's how I meant it when I said it to Ragashingo. I wasn't sufficiently invested in the text I was replying to on a message board to mean him directly, his soul and essence, his deepest desires and moral compass.

If all you are mature enough to do is parrot my past words back at me while ignoring the topic at hand, then I see no reason to continue this further. You clearly aren't ready to have a grown-up conversation.

Good day, sir!

I didn't bother watching the youtube link. It was probably too mature for me anyway.

I have enjoyed the parallels between this conversation and the witchhunting one because of the kind of role reversal that has been going on. So I was curious how you and Kermit would react when presented with that.

I see no difference between the severity of what you said to me in this thread and what I previously said to you in the other, yet in that thread you took offense to my words and immediately the thread topic was ignored and it became about what words I used and nothing else.

You set me up so perfectly to see how you would react to the same behavior. The same words, even. How would Ragashingo respond to Ragashingo? I have my answer, and I'll now let you have the last word.

I have been exceptionally transparent in this thread, I don't know why there is any confusion. This thread has become like debating the Trolley Problem--there is no universal solution. You guys might think the correct solution is to walk away and not participate, but I saw a potential for my agenda to benefit.

Enjoy your Red Bull.

Now that my memory has been jogged about that old debate, I'll just say that the big issue for me was you making assumptions about Raga's motives. (Most of us who post a lot and get into debates have been guilty of that at some point--it's a bad sign if I'm unhappy and I'm beginning a sentence with "You ...".) Declaring what Raga's ends were, and stating that he intended harm became a big part of the debate.

The difference here is that the debate began after you clearly stated what your ends were. The debate here was about whether your ends justified your means.

If all you are mature enough to do is parrot my past words back at me while ignoring the topic at hand, then I see no reason to continue this further. You clearly aren't ready to have a grown-up conversation.

Good day, sir!

I didn't bother watching the youtube link. It was probably too mature for me anyway.

I have enjoyed the parallels between this conversation and the witchhunting one because of the kind of role reversal that has been going on. So I was curious how you and Kermit would react when presented with that.

I see no difference between the severity of what you said to me in this thread and what I previously said to you in the other, yet in that thread you took offense to my words and immediately the thread topic was ignored and it became about what words I used and nothing else.

You set me up so perfectly to see how you would react to the same behavior. The same words, even. How would Ragashingo respond to Ragashingo? I have my answer, and I'll now let you have the last word.

I have been exceptionally transparent in this thread, I don't know why there is any confusion. This thread has become like debating the Trolley Problem--there is no universal solution. You guys might think the correct solution is to walk away and not participate, but I saw a potential for my agenda to benefit.

Enjoy your Red Bull.

Good day, sir!

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Heh, to look at it another way, there'd be the chance that the kid would go buy another pack of Red Bull because his first code didn't work and none of us want that! :p

Like happens when you post personal information of other people online so that they can be subject to witchhunting?

Ah, Ragashingo. Good times.

There's a lot of interesting debate to be had around that topic and this one, for sure. I really would love to dig into both, but I don't believe you are mature enough to engage in a fair and honest debate of such things. Therefore, I'll leave you with this simple question:

And now we've moved out of friendly debate territory. If you want to discuss this maybe try coming in from an angle where the person you are debating isn't taking a "view where results are results no matter who has to get hurt along the way" or whatever other crap you want to make up. You make some good points below, but it's far overshadowed with the crap you're making up about people in this post and the last.*

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Heh, to look at it another way, there'd be the chance that the kid would go buy another pack of Red Bull because his first code didn't work and none of us want that! :p

Like happens when you post personal information of other people online so that they can be subject to witchhunting?

Ah, Ragashingo. Good times.

There's a lot of interesting debate to be had around that topic and this one, for sure. I really would love to dig into both, but I don't believe you are mature enough to engage in a fair and honest debate of such things. Therefore, I'll leave you with this simple question:

If it was so wrong for me to ignore the possibility of hurting the experience of other people, why did you "...hope people ARE affected and DO complain..." about the potential of their Red Bull promotional codes being used up?

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Heh, to look at it another way, there'd be the chance that the kid would go buy another pack of Red Bull because his first code didn't work and none of us want that! :p

Like happens when you post personal information of other people online so that they can be subject to witchhunting?

Ah, Ragashingo. Good times.

You won't like red bull unless you enjoy the taste of copper, but I suppose you're not planning on making it a regular purchase...

Agreed. Although the red and yellow flavors of Red Bull are pretty good for energy drinks (too bad they aren't covered by the promotion).

I'm probably going to buy a can of Red Bull just because I've never tried it, and this provides a excuse to do so. I anticipate hating it but figure I can always use it as a toilet cleaner.

Never bought any of the gamer fuel back in the day because I hate Mountain Dew.

The original Gamerfuel (orange one) was delicious, and I didn't care for Mountain Dew back then. Subsequent gamefuel hasn't been as good, though, but the Halo 4 one was alright...

You won't like red bull unless you enjoy the taste of copper, but I suppose you're not planning on making it a regular purchase...

Never bought any of the gamer fuel back in the day because I hate Mountain Dew.

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Except that all the people reporting in about REAL codes mention the fact that they include letters, as well.

None of the codes utilized in this thread match those real codes.

Right. And that's good. But as far as I can tell people were guessing codes before they knew they weren't depriving others from using them. And petetheduck said he was in favor of causing problems for others in order to protest this whole situation. I don't like petetheduck's view where results are results no matter who has to get hurt along the way. I take Herzog's view:

Principles are results, they are ends in themselves.

I totally heard that in this guy's voice.

I guess it goes from "you're stealing from some poor kid" to "you're stealing from a megacorporation that won't even notice".

I didn't say it was okay - I simply said it wasn't what Raga was describing it as.

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Except that all the people reporting in about REAL codes mention the fact that they include letters, as well.

None of the codes utilized in this thread match those real codes.

Right. And that's good. But as far as I can tell people were guessing codes before they knew they weren't depriving others from using them. And petetheduck said he was in favor of causing problems for others in order to protest this whole situation. I don't like petetheduck's view where results are results no matter who has to get hurt along the way. I take Herzog's view:

Principles are results, they are ends in themselves.

'course Herzog hit a bridge right after that, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. :)

The great thing here is that we are both totally okay with the choices we made in this situation. Win-win.

That's all well and good if you was only you and Kermit being affected. You forgot about the kid who plays by the rules and buys the Red Bull and maybe gets nothing because you used / stole the code from him. It doesn't matter if corporate greed or bad programming or icky marketing is involved, your actions stop being even close to ethical when theres the possibility you're hurting the experience of other people.

Except that all the people reporting in about REAL codes mention the fact that they include letters, as well.

None of the codes utilized in this thread match those real codes.