I've said this before: I think Reach's anti-cheating measures were a test for what Bungie is trying to do in Destiny. This affects both the general sense of their goals with the game and to the specific mechanics regarding leveling and equipment.

What do you think it'll look like in Destiny? What new, beautiful, tear inducing tools has Bungie wrought this time around? SHALL THE BANHAMMER RIDE AGAIN, MORE GLORIOUS THAN BEFORE? Did they just digitize Jerome?

Or, conversely, does anyone even care? Hax4eva, or whatever. BXR or GTFO, noob.

In BL2, it's real easy to duplicate the best stuff, as well as mod weapons from the available game elements (my spouse has this ridic pistol, srsly). Gearbox doesn't seem to give a crap, because the save system that allows duplicating is totally unchanged from BL1, and I haven't a heard of lick of Gearbox coming down on folks. Heck, there was once an exploit for those golden loot keys, and Randy Pichford was like, 'If you had the keys to a sports car, what would you do?'

That said, having been ninja looted in BL2 many times, I'm glad for what I've seen so far in regards to Destiny's personal lewts. I hope we can trade that shizz, though.

Anyway, I've spoken enough. Getting a little Tiny Tina there.

I expect great things. The personal loot stream is an excellent start.

Yeah, that knocks a lot of problems right out of the way. It's basically like ME3, actually.

*crosses fingers more for trade system*

I haven't heard anything regarding trading items whatsoever. In most MMOs, you don't have the convenience of dashboarding without saving, so duping (short for duplicating) items really isn't a problem, in my experience. It will be interesting to see if Destiny has the ability to trade items, either over a trade function or by drop and pick up.

I imagine that Bungie wouldn't be very kind to players that exploit the game, given their past attitude toward cheaters. But in a game that features a large pve element, who knows how they will react to people who mod or duplicate items.

What do you think it'll look like in Destiny? What new, beautiful, tear inducing tools has Bungie wrought this time around? SHALL THE BANHAMMER RIDE AGAIN, MORE GLORIOUS THAN BEFORE? Did they just digitize Jerome?

I imagine it will look abit like what was done in Serious Sam 3 against Pirates. Stay with me now - the system detects a "heavy incongruity". Something *bum bum bum* . . . is wrong. Suddenly at Bungie! - deep with in the secret caves that Seattle is totally known for, A red light flickers with its silent alarm. Keen to action - Jerome "I love my Job" Simpson, Smashes the "DO NOT PRESS THIS RED BUTTON" Button Button.

With the Button Button pressed - things now get interesting.

Suddenly! the dubious player that dared impose wrath upon them selves sees a star - falling from the sky. As it comes closer it grows brighter, emitting a sound that even a galaxy harvesting automaton would know to fear - to flee. But it is too late.

As the object becomes determinable in shape it is realized that it is a golden ship. Lightning streaks from its engines and thunder rolls from its gut;

-BOOM-

A giant flaming literal fist rips through hull causing this ship to de-atomise into dust of dust. The fist lands not with a clamor but with . . .

-piff-

As if steam has landed, the ground is but smoke. It is suddenly very very quiet. The wind whispers of the ne'er-do-well impending doom, as the trees bow to the kicked up dust . . . and what it contains hidden in it.

As it clears, the symbol of the seventh column glows upon the ground like a rune in flux, the landed object kneeling like any terminator would. It is beyond description this object - possibly bipedal, but indeterminable from its garb both declaring its elegance and wrath. Slowly and suddenly it stands, and in turn presents its self in secret. This object is wrapped in tattered white silk, threaded with gold symbols passed down by the grizzled ancients. Its shape is undetermineable - only to be determined as the silk stretches and flows out to reveal what could be considered arms or trees. A hand forms - and our antagonist - suddenly shaken out of stupor from the sheer glory of what stands - fires the weapon in-hand.

*Click*

Too slow. With a simple click of its anomalous hand the weapon falls apart. The object hovers its hand over a symbol and reaches at air which in a sudden glow manifests the hilt of a broadsword, it unleashes this sword of light and flame - *SHOCK* its not a sword! Its a HAMMER!

The Silk burns away revealing which it contains. You knew it. We knew it. But sadly our digital friend did not know it. Its digital Jerome. HE SWINGS THE HAMMER SWIRLING ALL WINDS!!! SMEARING THE VIRTUAL SPACE TIME AS HE DECLARES HIS DEMANDS!!!

[size=Jerome]-BOOM-[/size]

*You have been banned for one week*.

. . . or something like that. I don't know. It will probably be invisible.

Or, conversely, does anyone even care? Hax4eva, or whatever. BXR or GTFO, noob.

In BL2, it's real easy to duplicate the best stuff, as well as mod weapons from the available game elements (my spouse has this ridic pistol, srsly). Gearbox doesn't seem to give a crap, because the save system that allows duplicating is totally unchanged from BL1, and I haven't a heard of lick of Gearbox coming down on folks. Heck, there was once an exploit for those golden loot keys, and Randy Pichford was like, 'If you had the keys to a sports car, what would you do?'

That said, having been ninja looted in BL2 many times, I'm glad for what I've seen so far in regards to Destiny's personal lewts. I hope we can trade that shizz, though.

Anyway, I've spoken enough. Getting a little Tiny Tina there.

One of my concerns is that awesome stuff will become less awesome because of duping.

I imagine that Bungie wouldn't be very kind to players that exploit the game, given their past attitude toward cheaters. But in a game that features a large pve element, who knows how they will react to people who mod or duplicate items.

I think how harsh they are will at least in part depend on whether you can use the weapons you acquire in the co-op world in PvP combat.

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I think the appropriate solution is to have Destiny check in once per day to make sure you aren't cheating… wait… what console were we talking about?

But seriously, I would think that since Destiny is always connected, constantly talking to Bungie's servers already for matchmaking purposes that it would also know what loot you had gotten. Hopefully that will cut down or eliminate the number of cheaters. Then again I hear cheating and duplication is a big deal in other always connected games like Diablo so what do I know?

Title:I would cheat for even half of that

Sheesh. Thanks a bunch ZackDark. Now we will never get to hear the crys of awe - and be sustained by bitter bitter tears. Besides - even if they did, a "banned for a month" event would destroy the virtual planet as we know it. We would then have to huddle over a giant floating orb and rebuild under it (for some reason). How delightfully absurd.

It is rumored that the last words mentioned before the end of that age were "This sling shot is not meant for you".
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(Offnote: I'm feeling really creatively wordy today and I don't know why - pitty I can't seem to do it when useful or pertinent.
Same coin - at least I can do it. It's too much fun really.)

Or, conversely, does anyone even care? Hax4eva, or whatever. BXR or GTFO, noob.

We care enough to try. I expect it'll be the usual arms race. We never underestimate the community, for good or for ill.

I loved playing the Halos knowing the Hammer was out there hovering over us protecting me from obnoxiousness.

I wonder what the new form of idling will be. If it turns into a weird group of skittish guardians taking a few pot shots from over yonder, it'll be fine with me. They'll be playing a character in my world that I feel will add to it, and it won't affect me much.

Now unless I'm crazy, didn't Bungie say there will be gambling in Destiny? I have to admit, Bah Lans 2 had a rather cool system with their loot-filled slot machines, and it was fun just to watch and see what your friends would get. I hope they do something similar, but take it a step further.

Specifically, it'd be cool if they have gambling that puts your weapons on the line, not just gambling that's based around money. High stakes! (Hopefully, you'll be able to gamble with other players too, not just with the game itself.)

A duel system where the winner takes your gear would be pretty cool.

A duel system where the winner takes your gear would be pretty cool.

Yeah. How 'bout no.

A duel system where the winner takes your gear would be pretty cool.

Yeah. How 'bout no.

Works in Borderlands 2. I certainly don't use it often (because after the first game, it's become a habit to just drop weapons for someone) but the game has a trade system. You can just straight up take it, swap a weapon for a weapon, or duel it out and winner takes whatever was up for trade.

It's all a matter of choice, and it's pretty fun.

And of course, even in his suggestion, it's a duel, which is agreed to. Not straight up combat, which isn't. So if you were afraid of losing gear, don't ever duel.

Or, conversely, does anyone even care? Hax4eva, or whatever. BXR or GTFO, noob.

We care enough to try. I expect it'll be the usual arms race. We never underestimate the community, for good or for ill.

It's appreciated, fo sho. I'm looking forward to seeing the execution with Mordin Solus-like anticipation.

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Then it could draw a tear from my eye! Manly Tears.