New Favorite Crucible Primary

I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

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I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

Banshee hands this out often. A few people I know love it (Chaos, I think), but I've not been too impressed, but I still have a couple with "great" rolls. I guess I'm just not much of a Pulse Rifle guy after the most recent nerf, outside of Bad Juju (and I have a Lighthouse Reflection Sum with Headseeker).

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I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

Banshee hands this out often. A few people I know love it (Chaos, I think), but I've not been too impressed, but I still have a couple with "great" rolls. I guess I'm just not much of a Pulse Rifle guy after the most recent nerf, outside of Bad Juju (and I have a Lighthouse Reflection Sum with Headseeker).

I feel like they haven't even been nerfed at all. My old pulse rifles feel just as effective as before. The only real noticeable improvement is to hand canons.

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Slower pulse rifles feel too slow now (Spare Change, etc), but the nirwen's and hawksaw variants are certainly awesome.

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I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

Banshee hands this out often. A few people I know love it (Chaos, I think), but I've not been too impressed, but I still have a couple with "great" rolls. I guess I'm just not much of a Pulse Rifle guy after the most recent nerf, outside of Bad Juju (and I have a Lighthouse Reflection Sum with Headseeker).

I feel like they haven't even been nerfed at all. My old pulse rifles feel just as effective as before. The only real noticeable improvement is to hand canons.

The latest balance update killed Pulse Rifles for me in PvP. It wasn't a drastic change, but their accuracy was hit hard enough that it has added at least 1 extra shot per kill on every PR I have. The Messenger/Spare Change archetype was hit the worst... their damage was reduced such that they are now a 3-shot kill at best, which makes their slow rate of fire a huge problem. My Nerwin's Mercy and Reflection Sum can both still kill in 3 shots if I fire perfectly, but that's much harder to do from the range I'm used to shooting from.

I've been finding I do much better with ARs or SRs. If I'm playing aggressively, rushing lots, I'll use Zhalo Supercell. If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

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I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

Banshee hands this out often. A few people I know love it (Chaos, I think), but I've not been too impressed, but I still have a couple with "great" rolls. I guess I'm just not much of a Pulse Rifle guy after the most recent nerf, outside of Bad Juju (and I have a Lighthouse Reflection Sum with Headseeker).

I feel like they haven't even been nerfed at all. My old pulse rifles feel just as effective as before. The only real noticeable improvement is to hand canons.

The latest balance update killed Pulse Rifles for me in PvP. It wasn't a drastic change, but their accuracy was hit hard enough that it has added at least 1 extra shot per kill on every PR I have. The Messenger/Spare Change archetype was hit the worst... their damage was reduced such that they are now a 3-shot kill at best, which makes their slow rate of fire a huge problem. My Nerwin's Mercy and Reflection Sum can both still kill in 3 shots if I fire perfectly, but that's much harder to do from the range I'm used to shooting from.

I've been finding I do much better with ARs or SRs. If I'm playing aggressively, rushing lots, I'll use Zhalo Supercell. If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

With the Surros PDX, I'm getting 3 burst kills about a quarter of the time. The combination of perks makes it amazingly rock solid stable, and hidden hand helps. It's great at messenger distances.

MIDA is really good. Hawkmoon / Imago is hit or miss depending on the map. I do okay with it on things like Asylum or Firebase Delphi, but once distances get too long it looses to pulse / scout.

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I've been struggling for a while to find a gun in the new meta that I really like and feel comfortable with. I've finally found it:

Surros PDX-45 Pulse rifle

Hawksaw Archetype with perfect balance, hidden hand, and rifled barrel. It's a laser just like the messenger used to be! Now maybe I can not suck in Trials.

Banshee hands this out often. A few people I know love it (Chaos, I think), but I've not been too impressed, but I still have a couple with "great" rolls. I guess I'm just not much of a Pulse Rifle guy after the most recent nerf, outside of Bad Juju (and I have a Lighthouse Reflection Sum with Headseeker).

I feel like they haven't even been nerfed at all. My old pulse rifles feel just as effective as before. The only real noticeable improvement is to hand canons.

The latest balance update killed Pulse Rifles for me in PvP. It wasn't a drastic change, but their accuracy was hit hard enough that it has added at least 1 extra shot per kill on every PR I have. The Messenger/Spare Change archetype was hit the worst... their damage was reduced such that they are now a 3-shot kill at best, which makes their slow rate of fire a huge problem. My Nerwin's Mercy and Reflection Sum can both still kill in 3 shots if I fire perfectly, but that's much harder to do from the range I'm used to shooting from.

I've been finding I do much better with ARs or SRs. If I'm playing aggressively, rushing lots, I'll use Zhalo Supercell. If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

With the Surros PDX, I'm getting 3 burst kills about a quarter of the time. The combination of perks makes it amazingly rock solid stable, and hidden hand helps. It's great at messenger distances.

I had one that I messed around with a bit, but I trashed it a couple weeks ago. I should pick another one up and give it another chance.

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If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

Mida is a mystery to me. It's clearly the new big thing; I get DESTROYED by it in PVP. Many people using it, many people outshooting me (usually when I'm wielding a pulse rifle).

When I switch to it, though... I get killed pretty fast. :(

(It's amazing in PvE, though - even for me.)

Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's the armor/speed spec; I don't generally change gear when I use it.

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If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

Mida is a mystery to me. It's clearly the new big thing; I get DESTROYED by it in PVP. Many people using it, many people outshooting me (usually when I'm wielding a pulse rifle).

When I switch to it, though... I get killed pretty fast. :(

(It's amazing in PvE, though - even for me.)

Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's the armor/speed spec; I don't generally change gear when I use it.

I do pretty well with MIDA. It's one of two things I think. The first is that you may not be shooting it fast enough. The second thing is that its effectiveness falls pretty fast if you arent getting headshots.

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Obviously accuracy is important, but MIDA has an effectively unlimited fire rate since it can be done on a hair trigger, and does mid fire rate damage. That's huge. I use the trials scout rifle sometimes, and it requires 5 headshots to kill, minimum. MIDA can technically kill in 3, I think. At least 3 and a body shot. And it can fire auto rifle fast.

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Not only that, but the agility boosts from lightweight and the mida perk stack on your other weapons, so it's buffing you even when you aren't using it.

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Obviously accuracy is important, but MIDA has an effectively unlimited fire rate since it can be done on a hair trigger, and does mid fire rate damage. That's huge. I use the trials scout rifle sometimes, and it requires 5 headshots to kill, minimum. MIDA can technically kill in 3, I think. At least 3 and a body shot. And it can fire auto rifle fast.

False. It does 52 damage on headshots with the right ballistics. That's a 4 shot kill minimum as 3 headshots and a body shot leaves you short for 98% of guardians.

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Right. So it can technically kill in 3 and a body shot. ;). Couldn't remember if it was 50 or 60.

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Wouldn't that give Elite Controllers some sort of insane advantage?

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Wouldn't that give Elite Controllers some sort of insane advantage?

Yes, that is exactly the point. A hair trigger MIDA with an Elite controller effectively breaks the gun about as bad as a Warlocks Tlaloc does when they're super is charged. Both of those combined effectively make it the fastest TTK of any weapon by leaps and bounds which is why it is soo sought after by everyone. The only reason we didn't see this level of MIDA dominance back in the days of the exotic handcannons was because controllers didn't fire on a hair trigger like the Elite does now. If Bungie decided to remove the hair trigger perk on MIDA we might actually see it fall in line with other scouts of its impact class yet it would be much like its year 1 self, good, dependable, and even exotic, but not stupidly overpowering.

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Can you explain exactly what about the xbox controller design lets you fire very fast? I don't get it.

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Can you explain exactly what about the xbox controller design lets you fire very fast? I don't get it.

Source: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/controllers/elite-wireless-controller

Fire faster with Hair Trigger Locks

With the flip of the Hair Trigger Locks, you can fire more quickly and save valuable time with each trigger pull. Hair Trigger Locks stop the trigger movement after the shot and get you ready for the next one. Simply flip the switch again to get back to full-range trigger motion. Each trigger has its own Hair Trigger Lock for independent control. Within the app, you can further fine-tune trigger settings.

Before the Elite, you had to manually watch how much you were pushing in the trigger to get the full effect of the hair trigger perk and to fire as fast as possible, but with the Elite, it's a toggeable setting so there's no thought involved and anyone can fire it as fast as possible. The only thing that stops this from breaking all the other guns is they have a fixed rate of fire, while MIDA technically does not with the perk.

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If I'm keeping my distance more, then Mida wrecks any PR in the game (in my experience).

Mida is a mystery to me. It's clearly the new big thing; I get DESTROYED by it in PVP. Many people using it, many people outshooting me (usually when I'm wielding a pulse rifle).

When I switch to it, though... I get killed pretty fast. :(

(It's amazing in PvE, though - even for me.)

Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's the armor/speed spec; I don't generally change gear when I use it.

The trick I find with Mida, or any other similarly spec'd scout rifles, is that headshots are crucial. I know this sounds kind of obvious, it seems to make a bigger overall difference with fast RoF weapons. If I'm having a bad day with Mida, I'm probably missing 1/3 of my shots, another 1/3 are body shots, with the final 1/3 landing as headshots. That means I might be firing 8-10 shots for a single kill.

On a good day, when I'm landing consistent headshots, I'll fire as fast as I can and take the target down in 4 shots. 4 shots with a Mida can happen VERY quickly :)

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Mida is a mystery to me. It's clearly the new big thing; I get DESTROYED by it in PVP. Many people using it, many people outshooting me (usually when I'm wielding a pulse rifle).

I read something a couple weeks ago that claimed one of the Destiny data aggregation sites was showing it as THE most-used primary in PvP right now. Not really sure where that came from, since the gun itself hasn't been changed much (directly) in quite a while. Maybe the overall changes to the meta just brought SRs up in the world - MIDA's always been a standout in the group, I guess.

I also remember something quite a while back claiming that if you made all headshots, it had one of the fastest TTKs of any primary - if I remember right, it was only bested by The Last Word (NLB and Universal Remote don't count). Of course, that was long enough ago that things might have changed. But I know that the one and only time I ever put any real effort into PvP, I used MIDA, and even in my hands it felt like a wrecking machine.

As for what you might be doing wrong, I don't really know anything for sure, but Cody's probably right. Headshots are pretty important. And if you're used to a certain firing rhythm with SRs, it's likely that MIDA can go a bit faster.

The whole MIDA trend in PvP actually has me a little worried they might nerf it, which I don't think is necessary and would potentially make it less useful in PvE, where I live. I genuinely don't think it's an overpowered gun, it's just very fast and precise, and hence rewards good shooting.

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I read something a couple weeks ago that claimed one of the Destiny data aggregation sites was showing it as THE most-used primary in PvP right now. Not really sure where that came from, since the gun itself hasn't been changed much (directly) in quite a while. Maybe the overall changes to the meta just brought SRs up in the world - MIDA's always been a standout in the group, I guess.

MIDA behaves no different than it used to. The difference is that now it's one of the only effective counters to Sniper Rifles (1000 Yard Stare). In Y1, there were a variety of weapons that hit hard and fast enough that if you got the jump on a sniper, there was virtually no chance they could hit you, and you'd win the fight. Since they destroyed hand cannon range, and now scaled back pulse rifles, there's not much (besides MIDA) that fits that bill. This (as well as the baffling changes in Sniper Rifle archetypes, plus Hidden Hand/Unflinching) has led to the all-too-common phenomenon of snipers being able to hit you in the head despite being shot.

Specifically speaking to MIDA, if you aren't using it with maxed-out agility, you aren't getting the full effect of the weapon. If you spec out that way, you can really cruise around the map and be aggressive with flanking. Putting damage, backing out, popping out somewhere else, it really enables guerrilla tactics.

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Specifically speaking to MIDA, if you aren't using it with maxed-out agility, you aren't getting the full effect of the weapon. If you spec out that way, you can really cruise around the map and be aggressive with flanking. Putting damage, backing out, popping out somewhere else, it really enables guerrilla tactics.

Claude, try as a Striker, max out your class Agility (I usually go agility and armor, kills happen so fast in this game "recovery" rarely makes a difference imo) and spec mida for the +2 agility boost. I usually play with the 3rd scope option.

Then, land headshots and run around the map.

As was also mentioned, I too worry that because it's more popular now, the masses will cry "OP!!" and it will be nerfed, because that is what happens in this game.

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MIDA has more stagger than any other gun in the game, so while you're shooting that sniper, he has almost zero chance of retaliating. Compare to any other gun and you can see the value.

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baffling changes in Sniper Rifle archetypes

Snipers have remained relatively unchanged since launch. The only real change that happened was the range being scaled, which only affected the longest range snipers like ice breaker

I really can't understand everyone's problem with snipers, I've been sniping since day 1 and don't feel there is anything wrong with them.

I think when you understand people who snipe in destiny have been doing so with pretty much the same gun for the last year.. Because they haven't been changed people have got a lot of practice and are REALLY good with them.

I think peoples problem with snipers that they don't realise is every time bungie changes the weapons in Destiny and you have to find your "new meta weapon" us snipers are still doing what we have been doing and you cannot counter it as you don't have a years practice with your new weapon.

Snipers are solid, nothing needs to be changes about them other than bringing patience and time into year 2.
'Y'all' just need to get more creative with your counters.

/rant over.

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The biggest thing is that in PvP each body shot does 38 damage, each headshot does 57 damage. So 0.9 seconds TTK for 3 headshots + 1 body shot, which is darn respectable. 6 shots to a target for 1.5 seconds, but if they are turned around or already hurt a little then it's still a super fast kill. Good aim assist and pretty fast firing, along with great range and speed increase.

I can see why it gets a lot of use.

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I'm starting to really like this on weapon smaller maps. If it's a long range map I still prefer my vendor roll Nirwin's Mercy. The one I'm running has fitted stock, headseeker and smallbore which seems like a pretty solid roll, especially when paired with a range adding scope

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This is my favorite too, however, it's about a 3.5 - 4 burst kill (at least for me, generally), in Trials. Could be a lack of headshots/light level at play, but it's made me reconsider using it a time or two.

I like it because it's recoil is to the left, and as strange as this sounds, I think it helps me hit more shots. If my aim is slightly off, say to the left, then as I compensate (which I tend to over compensate), I'll get a couple bullets in that I might have otherwise missed completely. If I'm off to the right, the pull puts me on target and I waste them. It's odd, but it works for my less than perfect aim.

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hmm, just checked my vault i have one with fitted stock, counterbalance, and injection mold. Guess i should throw some XP into it and see how it does.

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That said, I do not like this gun.

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I have 3 of the Banshee Surros PDX-45 Pulses I've picked up over the past few months. One has the exact rolls as yours. Another has even more stability but its range is quite low. I also have 3 Hawksaw Pulses but prefer the rolls on the PDX-45's.

I am playing Destiny like Halo 2, running around with a noob combo. Blade dancer with Quick Draw selected. Hit them with a Telesto first to weaken them then finish with the PDX-45. I can't be the only person doing this... It's darn cheap and works for my horrible PvP skills.

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I have 3 of the Banshee Surros PDX-45 Pulses I've picked up over the past few months. One has the exact rolls as yours. Another has even more stability but its range is quite low. I also have 3 Hawksaw Pulses but prefer the rolls on the PDX-45's.

I am playing Destiny like Halo 2, running around with a noob combo. Blade dancer with Quick Draw selected. Hit them with a Telesto first to weaken them then finish with the PDX-45. I can't be the only person doing this... It's darn cheap and works for my horrible PvP skills.

I have noticed some weird behavior with telesto in PvP of late. Mostly having to do with not seeing the shots fired, ever, and just exploding suddenly. Doesn't look like lag so much as it looks like the game totally forgetting to run the animations. Are you seeing any of that?

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Is Monte Carlo with Stillpiecer.

I love this combo and have been playing some solid games, (17.0 k/D on one)

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I kept that roll too because it looked great, but I have not used it once.

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Its really good. It was my favorite before the nerf, but is still one of the better ones. I just prefer the last word still, on the occasion that I do play.

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