did you miss the second half of what I said? the game was designed with it in mind
how many blips? 90% of the time it's either one section or two sections, which only tells you vague direction
I still think it's a travesty how it does nothing at close range even with the upgraded radar, it's ridiculous to have people chasing each other in a circle or just moving around randomly because they know someone's there but they can't see each other

I wouldn't say it's worthless at all. you get directional awareness + proximity + level awareness. When you combine this with general map knowledge it's pretty easy to know where someone is at. you don't get pinpoint accuracy, but it's HUGE for PvP. Take that away with like in the Inferno playlists and you end up getting much harder games. Almost every PvP primary I use has third eye for a reason.

Zombies, Campaign, Campaign with zombies, PVP? What am I missing?

I'm a CoD fanboy and I'm not sure what the 5 modes would be either.

I really don't see much more then an evolution in the COD series. They always add in a bit from other big PVP titles, so it was inevitable they would add super abilitys (several very similar to Destiny's) and movement modes (from Titanfall).

Pretty much every CoD is written from scratch, though they obviously have a feature set they like to keep and evolve (I know this because I worked for Treyarch back in the day). It's really not too different from Halo --> Destiny.

I find the PVP to be just as filled with lag, weapons balance issues and wonky hit detection as anything in Destiny, and then you add in the killstreaks which are supposed to turn near contests into overwhelming lopsided matches and you have a recipe for frustration.

Man, I have to disagree here. My CoD pvp experience is worlds better than Destiny. When I shoot someone, they die. When I get killed, I know who killed me and what my mistake was. Every time. And you can't earn killstreaks in a near contest, because if you die, your counter resets.

Judged against other COD games it's great, against Destiny it's a long slog grind with ugly skins, a terrible community, and even less variety.

I'm with you until the variety part. CoD chat is like Barrens chat. It's awful and I always turn it off first thing. But the game has huge variety. Also, because every player has access to every weapon and mod for those weapons, it's a completely open playing field and fundamentally fair. If X is the best class, then you can just play as X. Is Y the best gun? No sweat, unlock Y next. Fair! Destiny is... the opposite of that. I know precious few people with "perfect" rolls on even a single weapon, let alone a full loadout. Let alone a full loadout at 320 light. With armor that has the right perks and stats. And those little changes make all the difference sometimes.

Custom games and films are features that Destiny 2 really should have. There are expectations at this point from basically every other FPS game out there which have both.

Not to mention Bungie's previous game..

I'm not saying this in a "booo Destiny" way, just wondering if even the biggest Halo fans didn't really appreciate how good we had it with Reach at the time.

I certainly appreciated it at the time, and still do.

So did/do I... But I guess I thought "this is the best one yet... I can't wait to see all the stuff they add to the next one!"

I also thought things like "these features are so awesome, 5 years from now every game will have them!".

So I appreciated in terms of how much I loved the game, but I guess I underestimated how difficult it would be to match Reach down the road. It offered a "total package" in a way that I haven't seen since.

I see your point. I thought it was awesome and amazing, but I didn't think we won't see the likes of this again. No campaign films is still my biggest disappointment of the 343 era.

Yeah, that's a big one. There are a few others that stand out to me as well; fewer custom game settings, no BTB at launch (Halo 5), etc. Not to mention the more subjective stuff. And yet Halo 5 still has way more to offer in terms of features than most games these days.

I see your point. I thought it was awesome and amazing, but I didn't think we won't see the likes of this again. No campaign films is still my biggest disappointment of the 343 era.

It didn't have to be that way. I hear that there were no campaign films in Halo 4 because 343 "cheated" with the geometry such that not everything you see was real. To have a camera you could then detach and put wherever you want would ruin the illusion. Think forced perspective in the LotR movies. Frodo looks small, but only because the camera is in a very specific place.

The cheats were done for performance reasons. So you get to pick between better graphics, and campaign films. 343 thought one would sell more games than the other.