
How I'd remix The Kings Fall to be more approachable. (Destiny)
Yeah. I had so many unfinished King's Fall raids that I had to schedule my own raid and mock threaten everyone into helping me get one beginning to end run in. Maybe it's just longer and more complicated? Where almost everyone has to actually do something? Or maybe it's because there are fewer (or no?) ways to cheese it unlike "Vault of Shooting Oracles in Complete Safety" or "Crota's All Cheese All The Time" raids?
It's just so very very stinking long, and it smells like hive. The complexity of each encounter adds to this, but if it weren't so long a difficult encounter might not end the night. As far as pacing, it's paced well, just too much.
IMHO, if it were 2/3 the length it'd be a better raid. I sometimes think I'd prefer it split apart & have had two smaller raids, a shorter raid at just under 1/2 the length and the final raid at just over 1/2 the length.
The first smaller raid could have (major encounters bolded, minor italicized, cooldowns plaintext):
- Opening the portal (current method).
- Ship Jumping Puzzle
- Power the Glyph
- Defeat the Warpriest
- ??? Transept easy mode, just one side?
- Defeat the Sisters
The second larger raid could have:
- Opening the portal and/or defeating one/a series of Court of Oryx champions.
- Golgoroth's Cellar
- Defeat Golgoroth
- Transept Jump Puzzle requiring a stop at the exotic chest
- ??? Summon Oryx (something vaguely similar to powering the glyph, maybe another court campion?).
- Defeat Oryx
I dunno, maybe it'd be best to end w/ the Warpriest & continue on w/ Golgoroth, tho' ending w/ the Warpriest seems a touch small, & having the 3 big hitters (golgoroth, sisters, & oryx) seems like a lot, with most of the frustration falling on those encounters.
I suspect if bungie reused the portal, transept & oryx room the community would complain about them reusing/stretching assets to make 2 raids out of what should just be 1, but I still think it would be better. Maybe they could have pitched it as one massive raid in 2 parts to mitigate the entitled complaining.
edits: formatting.
Complete thread:
- Oryx is more of a troll then his son... -
Durandal,
2016-03-09, 11:45
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Oholiab,
2016-03-09, 12:24
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Durandal,
2016-03-09, 13:30
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Funkmon,
2016-03-09, 13:59
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! - unoudid, 2016-03-09, 14:21
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! - Durandal, 2016-03-09, 15:35
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Funkmon,
2016-03-09, 13:59
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Durandal,
2016-03-09, 13:30
- Oryx is more of a troll then his son... -
unoudid,
2016-03-09, 13:21
- Forever Black Hammer-less...
- BeardFade, 2016-03-09, 15:10
- You and me both...
- Korny, 2016-03-09, 15:11
- Just did my counts, you won't believe how many I've done -
unoudid,
2016-03-09, 16:37
- ...#3 blew my mind
- Schedonnardus, 2016-03-09, 16:57
- Bungie hates him for figuring out that one weird trick!
- Funkmon, 2016-03-09, 17:40
- I reviewed his stats. What happened next was awful. -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-09, 18:01
- "It was the craziest thing I've ever seen" Someone Famous -
Up North 65,
2016-03-09, 21:50
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- Robot Chickens, 2016-03-09, 22:13
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Claude Errera,
2016-03-09, 22:56
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Up North 65,
2016-03-09, 23:47
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Claude Errera,
2016-03-09, 23:57
- This guy has more glimmer than you. You'll never guess why. -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 07:03
- Only 8% of guardians know the answer to this question -
Up North 65,
2016-03-10, 13:59
- You probably do 2 of these 4 habits that keep your light low -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 17:00
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Up North 65,
2016-03-10, 17:41
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Kermit,
2016-03-10, 20:31
- That one just made me sad. Pretty sure Funkmon won -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 20:38
- Combo Breaker - Up North 65, 2016-03-11, 02:19
- That one just made me sad. Pretty sure Funkmon won -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 20:38
- You won't believe why these people got fired from Bungie -
Kermit,
2016-03-10, 20:31
- Top 10 amazing places you should visit on Phobos -
Up North 65,
2016-03-10, 17:41
- You probably do 2 of these 4 habits that keep your light low -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 17:00
- Only 8% of guardians know the answer to this question -
Up North 65,
2016-03-10, 13:59
- This guy has more glimmer than you. You'll never guess why. -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-10, 07:03
- 7 Ways to Bypass Abyss Lamps -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-09, 23:57
- 8 tips for faster internet Comcast doesn't want you to know -
Up North 65,
2016-03-09, 23:47
- Every team that beats Crota has these 2 things in common
- "It was the craziest thing I've ever seen" Someone Famous -
Up North 65,
2016-03-09, 21:50
- I reviewed his stats. What happened next was awful. -
Robot Chickens,
2016-03-09, 18:01
- Bungie hates him for figuring out that one weird trick!
- Casual. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-09, 16:59
- Side note -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-09, 20:25
- Side note -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-09, 21:03
- What changed?
- CyberKN, 2016-03-09, 21:13
- What changed? - Claude Errera, 2016-03-09, 21:31
- Side note -
Ragashingo,
2016-03-09, 21:35
- It's just waaaay longer. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-09, 22:00
- It's just waaaay longer. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-09, 22:21
- Yep, the reward/"risk" sucks for me -
ZackDark,
2016-03-10, 00:55
- It is noticeably harder for less than perfect groups. -
ProbablyLast,
2016-03-10, 01:18
- It's true. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-10, 02:02
- It's true. -
Kermit,
2016-03-10, 14:38
- lul. It ain't you. Plus, when you screw up, it's hilarious.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-10, 14:42
- Heh -
ZackDark,
2016-03-10, 14:43
- Heh -
Kermit,
2016-03-10, 14:52
- Ships have changed...kinda. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-10, 15:16
- I do get more hurt than I used to back at KF's launch - ZackDark, 2016-03-10, 15:26
- Ships have changed...kinda. - Kermit, 2016-03-10, 16:45
- Ships have changed...kinda. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-10, 15:16
- Heh -
Kermit,
2016-03-10, 14:52
- I love you too much to be actually mad about it.
- ProbablyLast, 2016-03-11, 09:47
- lul. It ain't you. Plus, when you screw up, it's hilarious.
- It's true. -
Kermit,
2016-03-10, 14:38
- It's true. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-10, 02:02
- It is noticeably harder for less than perfect groups. -
ProbablyLast,
2016-03-10, 01:18
- Yep, the reward/"risk" sucks for me -
ZackDark,
2016-03-10, 00:55
- It's just waaaay longer. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-09, 22:21
- How I'd remix The Kings Fall to be more approachable. - dogcow, 2016-03-09, 22:28
- It's just waaaay longer. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-09, 22:00
- Side note - Chappy, 2016-03-09, 22:03
- What changed?
- Side note -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-09, 21:03
- Side note -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-09, 20:25
- ...#3 blew my mind
- Just did my counts, you won't believe how many I've done -
unoudid,
2016-03-09, 16:37
- You and me both...
- Forever Black Hammer-less...
- wait... Oryx drops a hand cannon?! -
Oholiab,
2016-03-09, 12:24