Disabling a Relic gives you a ton of points. It's also unfairly easy to do, compared to actually capturing a Relic. Seriously no reason NOT to devolve the gametype into regular slayer.

I feel as if Salvage is not that well explained.

The trick is that the points you get for capturing scale up with the number of players that deploy. You need all three deploying to get maximum points. If you don't, it's a huge risk for not that many points.

It's a wager essentially. Kill as many of the other team at any given time as you can, deploy the probe with all three players, defend it, and you will win very fast.

Couldn't they just change the amount of points you get for a capture vs a disable? Wouldn't that appear to fix the problem?

I could see this going three different directions.

1. Change the scoring to eliminate points on kills. Make it play like Zone Control when you have to hold the relic in order to get points. Disabling would still net points

2. Swing the point margin where captures give more points and disabling gives less.

3. Make it where a team must capture at least one zone in order to win. otherwise the game results in a tie.

Where it polls DBO and if Narc posts, I respond "this seems accurate."

Pretty much in the past year, salvage has been like this. It was more fun in the beginning.

I don't think I've ever played vs a clan-mate. I wouldn't even know how to set that up :s

I do generally only play with a few people on my team though, that's true. But mostly only because I don't play Destiny with many people, if that makes sense, and I tend to drag them kicking and screaming into my clan eventually.

I've definitely played with randoms too though.

Also, people just randomly decide to cap the point when no one else is around and then feed the other team kills and a disable.

That's me! I don't do it if there's red on the radar, but I do assume if I'm capturing my teammates will show up shortly..

It's pretty much not worth playing solo if you want to win.

That's almost all of my games. I want to win, but I want to have fun first. I win probably half the time.

I can't tell you how often the revives just don't happen when playing with Randos.

I'm blown away by this, every single night. Last night, for example, I was in a skirmish game that was really close (I can't remember the final score, but at one point it was 4500-4400 or so), and I had just died. My teammates were literally right next to me (they were both dodging through my spark as they killed the guys who took me out), but when they finished clearing the room... they left. Both were still alive, and they were RIGHT NEXT TO ME (I'm sure 'Revive' was on both of their screens)... and they left.

Do they not realize that those extra 50 points, over a game, can make the difference between winning and losing? They threw away 50 points at that point - ZERO EFFORT TO EARN, and they didn't do it.

Just think about the rules:

- It takes several seconds to capture the Relic.
- Once you have the Relic you must hold it for what -30 seconds? A minute? An hour?- to get any real points from it.
- It takes not even a handful of seconds to disable the probe.
- Both get you a lot of points in addition to kills.

Which makes more sense to do? Try and hold an area of the map for over a minute or blast in and hold X for two seconds? The rules are bass ackwards and I have pretty much refused to play Salvage for the better part of a year and a half now. At the very least you should get a lot more points for holding the Relic and the capture and disable times should be equalized.

I understand the strategy. HOWEVER, if you're so overmatched against your opponents that they're getting mercy'd, why not make that happen faster by getting the salvage points? Holding the relic is trivial for a team that's killing the enemy 10-1.

I would bet it takes longer to activate your probe and wait for the countdown to end than it does to let the other team activate their probe and then stop it. The rules are that messed up.

(AKA: If it takes 15 seconds to activate your probe and 60 seconds to capture the relic but only 5 seconds to deactivate a probe and 30 second for the Relic to reset then you'd be hurting yourself by capturing the relic even if the enemy literally cannot scratch you... assuming a capture and a deactivate give a similar number of points.)

I don't understand your math at all.

You get 100 points per deployer plus 200 points upon capture, so a full team capturing gets 500 points per relic.

A disable nets your team 150 points (only one person can disable, so this can't stack).

If your team is good enough that the other team can't scratch you (which was nearly true last night, in both cases), a game where the other team MUST disable to avoid that last 200 point ding nets you FAR more kills than a game where the other team sits back and hopes you come into sniper range. So for each minute and 45 second increment (deploy+capture+reset) you get 500 points + LOTS of kills vs no points + many fewer kills - how is this hurting yourself?

(The reason the 'let them deploy, then disable' tactic works is because deploying teams rarely use more than one person on the deploy - so they're only getting 100 points per deploy, and then losing 150 points on the disable. Assuming kills are close to equal, letting them deploy first will eventually win. However, if you play smarter, you get twice as many points on the deploy as they can get on the disable (and a bonus for capturing, to boot, if you can deny them that disable) - the game ends REALLY quickly if you play it right.)