Nice to see that Barrett's still making weapons after the collapse...

Welp, at least Destiny will last for, what? 5 more years on the Xbox at this rate?

At this point it's just getting annoying seeing all the PS exclusive crap. I mean, all the initial exclusive content was to get people to join PS in the beginning but now? Who are they trying to get to switch over? There's no one left who hasn't made the decision. It feels like Sony is just being a child, lording all the exclusive Destiny content over the Xbox folks, for let's face it at this point, no real reason.

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Welp, at least Destiny will last for, what? 5 more years on the Xbox at this rate?

At this point it's just getting annoying seeing all the PS exclusive crap. I mean, all the initial exclusive content was to get people to join PS in the beginning but now? Who are they trying to get to switch over? There's no one left who hasn't made the decision. It feels like Sony is just being a child, lording all the exclusive Destiny content over the Xbox folks, for let's face it at this point, no real reason.

It's going to work for me. I just bought a PS4 last week. I didn't buy it for Destiny at all, and I'm not sure I'll even get Destiny for it. But if Destiny 2 has the same exclusivity, I'll definitely pick it up for PS4 instead of Xbox One.

So while, no, it didn't sell me a PS4 or even a copy of Destiny once I got a PS4, it certainly puts me in the mindset of just expecting that I'll get Destiny 2 on PS4, so that's something.

Welp, at least Destiny will last for, what? 5 more years on the Xbox at this rate?

At this point it's just getting annoying seeing all the PS exclusive crap. I mean, all the initial exclusive content was to get people to join PS in the beginning but now? Who are they trying to get to switch over? There's no one left who hasn't made the decision. It feels like Sony is just being a child, lording all the exclusive Destiny content over the Xbox folks, for let's face it at this point, no real reason.

Hmm... I'm ok with it as long as it's in tandem with other content. If there are other new exotics that Xbox players can get, it's alright in my mind. If there are no new exotics that Xbox players can get, it does feel like a slap in the face.

Slightly OT thought:
It's interesting we live in a world where society is demanding equality more than ever,(a great thing and I know we're not there yet) but someone (or a committee) somewhere who makes the decisions in Destiny still feels like some players deserve more than others. Ya ya it's a business and it's the way things have been, but I'd love for Bungie to be on the front line of social issues in how they operate their business.

I don't want Bungie to GIVE me every exotic for free, I want just want the same opportunity to earn it as someone on PlayStation. If it's time gated and I have other things to chase I'm more OK with it being a timed exculsive.

Just watched Selma today. Very good film, probably why I even wrote that first post.

Welp, at least Destiny will last for, what? 5 more years on the Xbox at this rate?

At this point it's just getting annoying seeing all the PS exclusive crap. I mean, all the initial exclusive content was to get people to join PS in the beginning but now? Who are they trying to get to switch over? There's no one left who hasn't made the decision. It feels like Sony is just being a child, lording all the exclusive Destiny content over the Xbox folks, for let's face it at this point, no real reason.

It's going to work for me. I just bought a PS4 last week. I didn't buy it for Destiny at all, and I'm not sure I'll even get Destiny for it. But if Destiny 2 has the same exclusivity, I'll definitely pick it up for PS4 instead of Xbox One.

So while, no, it didn't sell me a PS4 or even a copy of Destiny once I got a PS4, it certainly puts me in the mindset of just expecting that I'll get Destiny 2 on PS4, so that's something.

Wouldn't it be funny if MS got the exclusives for Destiny 2? By funny I mean sad and half expected.

This is a purchase decision between two similar products, between which you can choose.

A fairly fundamental aspect of social issues are that you can not choose, or should have a moral right not to be compelled to choose.

The alternative view is that PS/Bungie are still making good on the promises they made to convince people to buy the PS version back when there was convincing to be done.

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The alternative view is that PS/Bungie are still making good on the promises they made to convince people to buy the PS version back when there was convincing to be done.

I was surprised when the exclusives were included after the first year.

So Vanilla Destiny was supposed to come with 1 year worth of exclusives, then TTK did the same thing, right? I can't remember.

I'm surprised that Rev hasn't shown up to White Knight about principles and Justice for all. ;)

Seriously, they are likely going to have PlayStation exclusives EVERY SINGLE TIME content is released until at least Year 3. It was obvious from the moment they announced The Taken King.

I expect to bring up this same reminder the next time an exclusive is announced and the same bunch of folks start complaining.

Every exclusive release, when it has official marketing released, has had an asterisk with a "Exclusive until at least" with the date being a year after the release date of the content.

So Vanilla Destiny was supposed to come with 1 year worth of exclusives, then TTK did the same thing, right? I can't remember.

Correct. When TTK was announced, they also showed the PlayStation exclusives that were slated to begin Year 2 of exclusives (it said "at least Fall 2016").

Come Fall, Year 2 exclusives will be available, and a possible Year 3 of exclusives will begin. People will still be surprised.

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Not entirely. What about someone who bought a Xbox without considering Destiny and exclusive content? Is it the dev/publisher responsibility to inform potential buyers about it? Marketing does it by placing a PS logo at the end of an ad, but should there be messaging on Xbox box art that informs people that there's exclusive content for PS players? (Is there already? I bought digital so I honestly don't know.)

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It's interesting.

If you didn't know there was a difference, would it matter to you? Would you be perfectly content thinking that destiny on PS4 and XBone was the same?

I've had gaming experiences in the past, which I really liked, destroyed by online communities. The reason was I'd go "learn" about the game but essentially just go read a bunch of negative crap, that vastly outweighed the real information I gained. It basically soured my attitude towards the game.

I think the PS4 exclusives can do that to a degree as well if you let it.

If it bothers you enough, buy a PS4. If not, walk away. Treat it like the gun that will simply not drop for you. And be happy that said gun isn't being used against you. There's not much difference really.

(I still don't have a jade rabbit for example. And I'm not bitter. :D )

It's interesting.

If you didn't know there was a difference, would it matter to you? Would you be perfectly content thinking that destiny on PS4 and XBone was the same?

Probably not. Yes. My question is, is it ok for a dev to treat some players to more content than others based on something so arbitrary as console choice? Everyone pays the same amount of money.

I've had gaming experiences in the past, which I really liked, destroyed by online communities. The reason was I'd go "learn" about the game but essentially just go read a bunch of negative crap, that vastly outweighed the real information I gained. It basically soured my attitude towards the game.

I think the PS4 exclusives can do that to a degree as well if you let it.

If it bothers you enough, buy a PS4. If not, walk away. Treat it like the gun that will simply not drop for you. And be happy that said gun isn't being used against you. There's not much difference really.

I don't think buying a PS4 solves the "problem" it only proves that kind of content excusivity works to move specific hardware. It doesn't bother me, not really anyway, I just saw it as an interesting conversation. :)

And yeah, at least it's not being used against me!!!!

(I still don't have a jade rabbit for example. And I'm not bitter. :D )

I'm missing a few things too, not bitter either. It's not the RNG (that's another topic) it's locking players from getting it entirely based on platform preference. That's an interesting ethical decision to me.

The Hunter's Armor is definitely a variant of the Warlock's Playstation-exclusive Azoth Bend armor (same piping and style on the gauntlet and identical belt buckle plus accessories). No word on exclusive armor sets yet, but I need that Helmet!

Clearly not focused on stealth...

You're talking about consumer protection. This is not a social equality issue.

Sounds legit. As someone who's never taken a business class, I believe you. Are there parallels?

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I was already pretty sold on its looks, but now I'm actually mad jelly.

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Parallels in consumer protection laws? Not many of which I am aware.

In general US law is in favor of not price fixing (History from the Anti-Trust movement) and prefers the Market to set pricing through competition. The exceptions generally center around areas where the consumer has no alternatives (monopolies and antitrust laws), where the Government has tampered with the ecosystem (Public entities, charters, and grants of public funds), or where the supply and demand is so out of whack that it leads to exorbitant pricing for necessary public goods (Price gouging, Disasters and states of emergency, times when negotiation is not done in good faith, at arms length, etc.).

It's usually not phrased that way, but ironically, social equality can sometimes lead to legally mandated pricing equality (Fair housing acts, non-discrimination acts) but those are usually measuring equality across a single product (do they price things depending on who the customer is as an individual regarding a protected classification like Age, sex, Race, religion, etc.) not across the horizontal (measuring price equality between companies or products.)

I'm surprised that Rev hasn't shown up to White Knight about principles and Justice for all. ;)

Seriously, they are likely going to have PlayStation exclusives EVERY SINGLE TIME content is released until at least Year 3. It was obvious from the moment they announced The Taken King.

I expect to bring up this same reminder the next time an exclusive is announced and the same bunch of folks start complaining.

And I will continue to look down on PS every time they release exclusive content. Because I personally don't believe it's healthy for a gaming community. It's all about money. The funny thing is, it's not like PS needs to do this. They are doing it because they can.

Anyway, back to waiting for a weapon that will probably be crap by the time it comes to XBone.

I'm surprised that Rev hasn't shown up to White Knight about principles and Justice for all. ;)

Seriously, they are likely going to have PlayStation exclusives EVERY SINGLE TIME content is released until at least Year 3. It was obvious from the moment they announced The Taken King.

I expect to bring up this same reminder the next time an exclusive is announced and the same bunch of folks start complaining.

And I will continue to look down on PS every time they release exclusive content.

Business is business. Nobody on Xbox was complaining about how unfair it was for Playstation folks to get content later every time there were exclusives. It took over a year for Bioshock to get released on Playstation, and five years for Mass Effect to see a release. Nobody on Xbox was mad at Microsoft. Now that it's on the other side...

Because I personally don't believe it's healthy for a gaming community. It's all about money.

I agree entirely. Exclusive content is annoying, and gamers would be far better off without it, but it has always been around as long as preorder bonuses and multiplatform games have existed. And if we get cross-plat gaming, the console-exclusive content will only become a bigger priority. At least the way it is now, players don't have to worry about unbalanced games because of console.

The funny thing is, it's not like PS needs to do this. They are doing it because they can.

I'm pretty sure that at the time of the deal, Sony didn't know that PS4 would be outselling Xbone 2:1. We don't know what the deal was. For all we know, they secured content exclusivity for all of the Destiny games over the next ten years.

Anyway, back to waiting for a weapon that will probably be crap by the time it comes to XBone.

I'm genuinely sorry about Hawkmoon. I really hope that Bungie decides to reactivate the Magic Bullet, given the five other nerfs that they gave it...

I'm surprised that Rev hasn't shown up to White Knight about principles and Justice for all. ;)

Seriously, they are likely going to have PlayStation exclusives EVERY SINGLE TIME content is released until at least Year 3. It was obvious from the moment they announced The Taken King.

I expect to bring up this same reminder the next time an exclusive is announced and the same bunch of folks start complaining.

And I will continue to look down on PS every time they release exclusive content.

Business is business. Nobody on Xbox was complaining about how unfair it was for Playstation folks to get content later every time there were exclusives. It took over a year for Bioshock to get released on Playstation, and five years for Mass Effect to see a release. Nobody on Xbox was mad at Microsoft. Now that it's on the other side...

I think that's stupid too! I don't think anyone should be kept from playing great games just because of their preference in consoles.

The funny thing is, it's not like PS needs to do this. They are doing it because they can.

I'm pretty sure that at the time of the deal, Sony didn't know that PS4 would be outselling Xbone 2:1. We don't know what the deal was. For all we know, they secured content exclusivity for all of the Destiny games over the next ten years.

That's true. I'm more referring to post-vanilla. I play on the XBox because I prefer it. I will continue playing on the XBox because it's what I like. If for some reason Destiny dropped XBox in the future, I would probably stop playing Destiny.

Anyway, back to waiting for a weapon that will probably be crap by the time it comes to XBone.

I'm genuinely sorry about Hawkmoon. I really hope that Bungie decides to reactivate the Magic Bullet, given the five other nerfs that they gave it...

The funny thing is, I never cared for Hawkmoon. I have no interest in handcannons. So it really didn't affect me. Exclusive content pisses me off and not being able to use a weapon that is cool pisses me off. Hawkmoon was the prior, this new sniper is both.

Well, game exclusives are different in that they also have a significant effect on development and support resources. Especially in the prior generation of consoles.