THAB 06/09/16: RoI and Legacy Consoles

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/44820/7_This-Week-at-Bungie--06092016

Destiny: Rise of Iron will be available exclusively on current generation consoles – PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. From here on out, we’ll be referring to the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 as legacy consoles. If you’re using a legacy console to play Destiny, you’ll need to upgrade your hardware to experience the next adventure.

Our goal is always to bring every player from this awesome community along for the ride as we continue the story of Destiny. At the same time, we will also continue to support players who elect not to upgrade their console hardware. This Fall, you’ll still be able to play Destiny on legacy generation consoles, but that journey will occur on a separate path. Up to this point, player progression between current and legacy consoles in the same family has been shared by each account. This summer, that experience will fork into two parallel experiences that will no longer share progression.

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

I assume there will just be a big button in your character profile on bungie.net that says "Export/Copy this 360 guardian to Xbone", if you have an open slot on the latter.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

I assume there will just be a big button in your character profile on bungie.net that says "Export/Copy this 360 guardian to Xbone", if you have an open slot on the latter.

I would guess they will have a 1 time copy of all characters from old-gen to new-gen, after that they're two distinct universes.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

I assume there will just be a big button in your character profile on bungie.net that says "Export/Copy this 360 guardian to Xbone", if you have an open slot on the latter.

I would guess they will have a 1 time copy of all characters from old-gen to new-gen, after that they're two distinct universes.

CyberKN assumes you have to have a slot available. I'm not making that assumption in my question.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

I assume there will just be a big button in your character profile on bungie.net that says "Export/Copy this 360 guardian to Xbone", if you have an open slot on the latter.

I would guess they will have a 1 time copy of all characters from old-gen to new-gen, after that they're two distinct universes.

CyberKN assumes you have to have a slot available. I'm not making that assumption in my question.

Ah, yes, ok.

The graphic shows that as of Aug your characters fork, yet in the text it says there will be functionality in place to port characters to the new platform. I bet it will work like this:

The first time you play the expansion your characters will fork; you'll have one set for old-gen & one set for new-gen.

That way both the graphic and the statement's intentions can both be truth (in a way). At least that's my prediction. If I were in charge of coding this feature I'd seriously consider the fork-on-1st-play-of-expansion solution.

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Pro's:

players can still play their old & new gen characters.
storage requirements for guardians isn't instantly doubled.
conversion/upgrade can be done lazily when it's needed and not require downtime for a batch process to run for all guardians at once.

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I wonder how this will work if you already have characters on next gen. If I continue to play on last-gen, I wonder what will happen to my next-gen characters when I import my last gen characters.

I think they'll be in 2 separate 'universes'. Basically you wont be able to import and sync with each other.

From CyberKN's post:

As legacy generation Guardians adapt to current platforms after August, there will be functionality in place to enable them to port their characters to the new console - in the same family.

I assume there will just be a big button in your character profile on bungie.net that says "Export/Copy this 360 guardian to Xbone", if you have an open slot on the latter.

I would guess they will have a 1 time copy of all characters from old-gen to new-gen, after that they're two distinct universes.

CyberKN assumes you have to have a slot available. I'm not making that assumption in my question.

Ah, yes, ok.

The graphic shows that as of Aug your characters fork, yet in the text it says there will be functionality in place to port characters to the new platform. I bet it will work like this:

The first time you play the expansion your characters will fork; you'll have one set for old-gen & one set for new-gen.

That way both the graphic and the statement's intentions can both be truth (in a way). At least that's my prediction. If I were in charge of coding this feature I'd seriously consider the fork-on-1st-play-of-expansion solution.

Edit:
Pro's:

players can still play their old & new gen characters.

storage requirements for guardians isn't instantly doubled.

conversion/upgrade can be done lazily when it's needed and not require downtime for a batch process to run for all guardians at once.

My question really has nothing to do with how two sets of characters are maintained I bet you're right about how that's done.

I'm interested the moment of importing in a particular scenario. I continue to play on two platforms, as I have friends on both. On the 360, I finally get that drop I've always wanted. At a time in the future, I decide my 360 Destiny days are over, and I import my 360 characters (assuming I can). What happens? Do I lose anything? If there is a merge process, what is it? <--That's my question.

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My question really has nothing to do with how two sets of characters are maintained I bet you're right about how that's done.

I'm interested the moment of importing in a particular scenario. I continue to play on two platforms, as I have friends on both. On the 360, I finally get that drop I've always wanted. At a time in the future, I decide my 360 Destiny days are over, and I import my 360 characters (assuming I can). What happens? Do I lose anything? If there is a merge process, what is it? <--That's my question.

We totally need to know more about how Bungie will be doing this. I expect they'll give more details in the future. My guess? Once you play the expansion you're characters are split, never to meet again, and that awesome 360 drop will be stuck on the 360.

Edit: :(

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I've been wondering how this'll go. By splitting the old stuff off, they're giving themselves the ability to expand the eighth-gen stuff within the system's capabilities however they want.

Characters being portable from old to new makes sense. It means the legacy equipment and quests and such probably need to not be removed from the eighth-gen version. But, the eighth-gen version can expand and do more.

tl;dr Maybe Banshee will sell primary ammo synths again.

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Having confirmed the Neo, I wonder how quickly Destiny will support it.

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Having confirmed the Neo, I wonder how quickly Destiny will support it.

If the leaks are accurate, every single PS4 game from September 2016-onward will be required to have Neo support built in. That doesn't mean the Neo will be out by then, but I suspect it will be close to then.

This means Rise of Iron would have Neo support (again, if leaks are accurate).

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