
Aksis Challenge - Spoils, I guess. (Destiny)
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 13:43 (3029 days ago)

Now that is actually a challenge.
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 13:47 (3029 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
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Damn. I'm game.
by someotherguy, Hertfordshire, England, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 13:50 (3029 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
Now, when he's left or right, this should be ezpz. Not sure about when he's front or back though, could get uncomfortable.

Strategy
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 14:22 (3029 days ago) @ someotherguy
edited by DiscipleN2k, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 14:26
Now, when he's left or right, this should be ezpz. Not sure about when he's front or back though, could get uncomfortable.
There's a pretty good guide here.
The only hard part about left and right will be waiting on the supercharge before stunning Aksis. Back middle (labeled "outside" in the guide) will still be easy since that's the one center empowered is going to be keeping an eye on and left and right empowered will just sprint to the discharge plate on their side. The only weird one will be front middle (inside). If right empowered dives to stun front middle, though, then left empowered still covers the left discharge plate and middle empowered just shifts to the right discharge plate. I don't think the middle discharge plate will be active when Aksis teleports to either middle location.
Might take a few more tries than last week's challenge, but I don't think it'll be too crazy.
-Disciple
Edit: One more thing. Even though you can damage Aksis before he's stunned, DO NOT damage him before the stun if he's close to his final stand. If you cross that damage threshold and he teleports back to center before he's stunned, you fail the challenge.

Two Strategies
by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 14:39 (3029 days ago) @ someotherguy
edited by Chappy, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 14:55
I believe there are two prevailing strategies for managing this. I haven't run either yet, this is just based on some reddit posts and common sense. For both strategies, there's a change in positioning for the empowered guardians. Without the challenge, the empowered people could always position themselves next to a Teleport location relative to Aksis (e.g. if Akis was on the left, the empowered people would position front, back and right). With the challenge, the empowered people will always position in the same locations regardless of Aksis' current location so they can stun or supercharge as needed.
Independent Left/Center/Right:
In this case, the empowered people are only responsible for their own section of the room. The left and right guardians stand on the yellow and black striped areas, and the center guardian positions in front of the back platform.
- If Aksis goes left, the left guardian stuns while the center and right guardians check their plates and supercharge
- If Aksis goes right, the right guardian stuns while the center and left guardians check their plates and supercharge
- If Aksis goes front, the center guardian stuns while the left and right guardians check their plates and supercharge
- If Aksis goes back, the center guardian stuns while the left and right guardians check their plates and supercharge
The guardian that will stun Aksis should already be on his back - as soon as the supercharge message appears in the feed they need to stun him.
What's new here is that the center guardian must stun Aksis if he goes front AND if he goes back (up until this point, most groups have the left and right guardians handle the front, but that won't work with the challenge since they're going to be busy supercharging.
Center/Right Crossover:
In this case, the center and right guardians share some responsibility to make it a bit easier to cover front and back. Left is still only responsible for left, but center and right cover each other. The left and right guardians stand on the yellow and black striped areas, and the center guardian positions at the stairs in front of the right supercharge plate.
- If Aksis goes left, the left guardian stuns while the center and right guardians check their plates and supercharge
- If Aksis goes right, the right guardian stuns while the center and left guardians check their plates and supercharge
- If Aksis goes front, the right guardian stuns while the left and center guardians check their plates and supercharge (center covering the right side supercharge)
- If Aksis goes back, the center guardian stuns while the left and right guardians check their plates and supercharge
As with the other strategy, the guardian that will stun Aksis should already be on his back - as soon as the supercharge message appears in the feed they need to stun him.
What's new here is that the center guardian may supercharge on the center or the right, depending on whether Aksis goes right or front respectively. The right guardian stuns on the front or right side and covers the right supercharge if Aksis goes back or left.

Two Strategies - success
by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Wednesday, November 09, 2016, 04:19 (3028 days ago) @ Chappy
I ran this a couple times on Tuesday. The center/right crossover is definitely the better approach - it's faster to the supercharge and the slam. In order for it to work, everyone on the team needs to fully understand what to do in each situation, and it's critical to call out the teleport location as soon as possible (non-empowered guardians can watch him). The empowered folks may not be able to see Aksis teleport, so they need to move to the right place on the callout. While doing damage, it's critical to re-identify and position the newly empowered guardians as fast as possible - even if it means not doing damage.
There's a little leeway on the timing, there were times when the supercharge seemed to be simultaneous with the slam (or even a moment after) and it didn't fail the challenge.

It sounds like chat lag would nigh kill it
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, November 09, 2016, 12:26 (3028 days ago) @ Chappy
I apologize in advance for any timing issues my chat lag will cause. :p

Third-ish strategy?
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Wednesday, November 09, 2016, 13:17 (3028 days ago) @ Chappy
I ran this a couple times on Tuesday. The center/right crossover is definitely the better approach - it's faster to the supercharge and the slam. In order for it to work, everyone on the team needs to fully understand what to do in each situation, and it's critical to call out the teleport location as soon as possible (non-empowered guardians can watch him). The empowered folks may not be able to see Aksis teleport, so they need to move to the right place on the call-out. While doing damage, it's critical to re-identify and position the newly empowered guardians as fast as possible - even if it means not doing damage.
This is what we attempted last night with limited success. We'd have a few good cycles and then someone would be out of position, or we'd be just a bit slow to supercharge and then miss the stun. Call-outs were slow and unreliable, so we opted to have the stunner just count to three between the teleport and the stun and hope that the supercharge happened. I think it got better with that method, but we were still pretty disorganized and just couldn't get all the pieces to fall into place consistently.
Something I read about last night that may be worth a try is having the left and right empowered players stand on the discharge plates and just hold X/square while looking at their teleport location. If the plate activates beneath them, they'll automatically discharge, and if Aksis teleports in front of them, they're ready to sprint in for the stun. Even the slow, floaty warlocks should be able to get from the plate to Aksis without too much trouble ;)
The middle empowered guardian obviously can't stand on the charge plate since Aksis teleports directly on top of it, but if they hang out on the front stairs, they'll still be in a position where they can cover front and back teleports. As long as non-empowered guardians are watching to call out the teleport, they should still be able to make it to either position.
-Disciple

You know, that sounds perfect
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Wednesday, November 09, 2016, 13:47 (3028 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
If they're "wrong", they have just enough time to run up to Aksis. I'm slightly worried about front mid, though. Cannoneers need to be on point with call-outs.

Third-ish strategy?
by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Thursday, November 10, 2016, 13:23 (3027 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
The Wednesday XB1 raid was successful with the center/right crossover strategy. With 3 dark drinkers, our damage output was pretty good - he went to his last stand during his first teleport of the third cycle.
It may be obvious, but when Aksis is close to his last stand, no one should do any damage to him before he's stunned to ensure the challenge requirements are still met. Be cautious in that third cycle, and make sure cannon shots detonate before each teleport.

Third-ish strategy?
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Thursday, November 10, 2016, 14:24 (3027 days ago) @ Chappy
The Wednesday XB1 raid was successful with the center/right crossover strategy. With 3 dark drinkers, our damage output was pretty good - he went to his last stand during his first teleport of the third cycle.
Awesome! Hopefully we'll have similar luck tonight. I definitely like the center/right crossover thing better, but this might be an option if a team just can't get the timing down.
It may be obvious, but when Aksis is close to his last stand, no one should do any damage to him before he's stunned to ensure the challenge requirements are still met. Be cautious in that third cycle, and make sure cannon shots detonate before each teleport.
I knew about about avoiding damage before the stun when he's close to last stand, but I didn't think about a cannon charge detonating after teleport possibly pushing him over the edge. That's really good to know!
-Disciple

THREE Strategies!!!
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 14:57 (3029 days ago) @ someotherguy
OK, not really. It just needed to be done. :p
-Disciple

THREE Strategies!!!
by Chappy, Arlington, VA., Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 15:00 (3029 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
:) Good luck tonight; let folks know what works for the XB1 crew. I think I prefer the strategy where right and center help each other out, but it'll require a team that works well together and communicates. The "each section for itself" approach will probably work better for pick-up groups that have a decent player at center.

THREE Strategies!!!
by DiscipleN2k , Edmond, OK, Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 15:18 (3029 days ago) @ Chappy
:) Good luck tonight; let folks know what works for the XB1 crew.
Thanks! We may need it :p
I think I prefer the strategy where right and center help each other out, but it'll require a team that works well together and communicates. The "each section for itself" approach will probably work better for pick-up groups that have a decent player at center.
This is my thinking as well. I think empowered middle could cover the middle and right plates easier than covering both front and back teleports. That move from back to front teleport, especially as a slow, floaty Warlock, feels like it takes forever.
-Disciple

Back mid Guardian should never cover front mid
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Tuesday, November 08, 2016, 15:37 (3029 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
That's my take, anecdotally built over the many failures of my runs.

You guys need help.
by ProbablyLast, Wednesday, November 09, 2016, 08:19 (3028 days ago) @ DiscipleN2k
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