PC Version has Modified Recoil (Destiny)
by Blackt1g3r 
, Login is from an untrusted domain in MN, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:16 (2799 days ago)
edited by Blackt1g3r, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:20
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/destiny-2s-guns-wont-recoil-on-pc-as-they-do-on-consoles/
Bungie says that the console version of recoil didn't feel right with a mouse so it's modified on PC. The reason Halo games have generally felt better than many other FPS games on console was because Bungie spent the time to make sure the controls felt right there. It seems like other games often just stuck with default control schemes instead of spending the extra effort to make their controls right.
Was just about to post this...
by Beorn , <End of Failed Timeline>, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:35 (2799 days ago) @ Blackt1g3r
I imagine they're taking quite a bit of time to get it "right" on all platforms, but at face value the change sounds weird.
Also, what happens if I want to play on a PC with my Xbox controller? Hope it changes like the article suggested.
Was just about to post this...
by Xenos , Shores of Time, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:45 (2799 days ago) @ Beorn
I imagine they're taking quite a bit of time to get it "right" on all platforms, but at face value the change sounds weird.
Also, what happens if I want to play on a PC with my Xbox controller? Hope it changes like the article suggested.
Yeah a few interviews I've seen they say they are trying to match controller play on PC to how it feels on the consoles. They even said in one of them that they didn't feel like the advantage auto-aim gives you on a controller out weighs the advantage of a mouse, so I'm hoping it feels exactly the same!
Agreed
by Blackt1g3r , Login is from an untrusted domain in MN, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:32 (2799 days ago) @ Beorn
I hope that on PC if you use a controller/stick instead of a mouse changes the recoil to be similar to how it works on console. It's not really about platform, it's about making controls feel right for the control method being used.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:41 (2799 days ago) @ Blackt1g3r
It was talked about in the PCGamer interview with Luke. And it's not just recoil, but aiming and bullet accuracy is customized as well (thanks to working with Vicarius Visions).
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 14:46 (2799 days ago) @ Korny
(thanks to working with Vicarius Visions).
You mean the team who couldn't get a PS1 game running at 60fps on PS4? Meanwhile Bluepoint gives you the Uncharted Collection 60.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Ragashingo 
, Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, June 23, 2017, 15:04 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
(thanks to working with Vicarius Visions).
You mean the team who couldn't get a PS1 game running at 60fps on PS4? Meanwhile Bluepoint gives you the Uncharted Collection 60.
Framerate of an old ported game vs the feel of recoil of a completely different modern game. I can't imagine how these two situations have much of anything at all to do with each other.
Interestingly, that very same article you linked to (bravo for actually linking for once, by the way!) also says:
Naughty Dog was the original developer of the hit series and the studio is very impressed with Vicarious Visions’ work on the upcoming Crash Bandicoot game. According to game producer Kara Massie, the development team on the game received overwhelmingly positive review from Naughty Dog. According to Massie, the studio is very impressed and touched with the game.
Specifically the VV lead said:
Personally, our dev team didn’t check in with them or anything. But through Sony, Naughty Dog has seen and played the games at a few different stages. And we’ve had feedback from them, and overwhelming it’s been positive. They’re very, very impressed, and quite touched, that we’re doing right by their original games.
So it lives up to Naughty Dog's standards, but not Cody Miller's. Imagine that.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:37 (2799 days ago) @ Ragashingo
And they would be even more impressed if it were running at a proper frame rate.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:43 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Oh, knock it off. The game never ran at 60fps to begin with and 60fps is by no means a "proper framerate." If they promised 60fps and then pulled back from that you might have a point. Right now, as far as I can tell, you're just being your "I know better than everyone about everything" typical self.
So again: Knock. It. Off.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:54 (2799 days ago) @ Ragashingo
Oh, knock it off. The game never ran at 60fps to begin with
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by uberfoop , Seattle-ish, Friday, June 23, 2017, 17:32 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
edited by uberfoop, Friday, June 23, 2017, 17:35
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
For 5-10 minutes the first time you switch back, yes. The extent to which transitioning back to low FPS after playing a game at high FPS temporarily hurts is not very relevant to a context where that won't happen anyway. Judging the worthwhileness of framerate targets needs to be made with how people will experience something in mind; TLoU at 30fps still feels fine when you're acclimated to TLoU at 30fps.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Friday, June 23, 2017, 18:07 (2799 days ago) @ uberfoop
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
For 5-10 minutes the first time you switch back, yes. The extent to which transitioning back to low FPS after playing a game at high FPS temporarily hurts is not very relevant to a context where that won't happen anyway. Judging the worthwhileness of framerate targets needs to be made with how people will experience something in mind; TLoU at 30fps still feels fine when you're acclimated to TLoU at 30fps.
And it's also preference. When I played Rise of the Tomb Raider, the 60fps bothered me, so I dropped it to 30fps, and enjoyed the game.
First time I played The Last of Us remastered, I dropped it to 30 as well, because I find it more cinematic and immersive (like experiencing a movie).
After my first playthrough, I bumped the framerate up to 60 to record it, and basically just got used to it, but if a game gives me a choice, I'm dropping it down to 30.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 19:27 (2799 days ago) @ uberfoop
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
For 5-10 minutes the first time you switch back, yes. The extent to which transitioning back to low FPS after playing a game at high FPS temporarily hurts is not very relevant to a context where that won't happen anyway. Judging the worthwhileness of framerate targets needs to be made with how people will experience something in mind; TLoU at 30fps still feels fine when you're acclimated to TLoU at 30fps.
I don't know. For me, in the PS4 version of Dishonored was immediately apparent, and it immediately felt wrong at 30fps. So much so, it was actually unpleasant to play and contributed to me wanting to give up early.
If your game requires precise control (Action, FPS, RTS, Platformer, etc) then it should be 60fps. As much as I praise Vanquish, 30fps was a mistake.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by uberfoop , Seattle-ish, Friday, June 23, 2017, 19:46 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
I don't know. For me, in the PS4 version of Dishonored was immediately apparent, and it immediately felt wrong at 30fps. So much so, it was actually unpleasant to play and contributed to me wanting to give up early.
If your game requires precise control (Action, FPS, RTS, Platformer, etc) then it should be 60fps. As much as I praise Vanquish, 30fps was a mistake.
I wasn't saying that all games are fine at 30fps. Just that the feeling of acclimating between like-for-like things at two different framerates isn't a useful gauge here; it's not like people playing the remake of Crash Bandicoot are going to be intermittently playing Crash Bandicoot at 60fps.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Friday, June 23, 2017, 19:48 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
If your game requires precise control (Action, FPS, RTS, Platformer, etc) then it should be 60fps. As much as I praise Vanquish, 30fps was a mistake.
"4k 60FPS? LITERALLY UNPLAYAYBLE!"
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 22:01 (2799 days ago) @ Korny
If your game requires precise control (Action, FPS, RTS, Platformer, etc) then it should be 60fps. As much as I praise Vanquish, 30fps was a mistake.
"4k 60FPS? LITERALLY UNPLAYAYBLE!"
If you are talking VR then yes.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, June 24, 2017, 10:51 (2798 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, June 24, 2017, 13:30 (2798 days ago) @ ZackDark
edited by Cody Miller, Saturday, June 24, 2017, 13:42
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
The accepted minimum seems to be 90fps. Both eyes updated at 90hz. From my own experience, the current 1080 x 1200 per eye is pretty horrendous. Carmack has said minimum 8k per eye to eliminate seeing pixels.
Math here.
http://reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/3jm8rj/request_how_much_resolution_should_a_vr_headset/
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by dogcow , Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Monday, June 26, 2017, 07:34 (2796 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
The accepted minimum seems to be 90fps. Both eyes updated at 90hz. From my own experience, the current 1080 x 1200 per eye is pretty horrendous. Carmack has said minimum 8k per eye to eliminate seeing pixels.Math here.
http://reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/3jm8rj/request_how_much_resolution_should_a_vr_headset/
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, June 26, 2017, 08:33 (2796 days ago) @ dogcow
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
The accepted minimum seems to be 90fps. Both eyes updated at 90hz. From my own experience, the current 1080 x 1200 per eye is pretty horrendous. Carmack has said minimum 8k per eye to eliminate seeing pixels.Math here.
http://reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/3jm8rj/request_how_much_resolution_should_a_vr_headset/
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
In terms of visual quality yes, but here are inherent problems that are impossible to overcome without fundamentally new tech. Not saying it's worthless, as I'd spring in a second for Gran Turismo VR, but it's only good in very specific circumstances.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by dogcow , Hiding from Bob, in the vent core., Monday, June 26, 2017, 09:27 (2796 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
In terms of visual quality yes, but here are inherent problems that are impossible to overcome without fundamentally new tech. Not saying it's worthless, as I'd spring in a second for Gran Turismo VR, but it's only good in very specific circumstances.
Assuming you can acclimate to a race game. Out of all VR I've played driving a car has made me the most motion sick. Eve: Valkyrie doesn't do it to me (unless I get crazy w/ my maneuvers), but put me behind a wheel & It's almost instant.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Monday, June 26, 2017, 09:30 (2796 days ago) @ dogcow
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
In terms of visual quality yes, but here are inherent problems that are impossible to overcome without fundamentally new tech. Not saying it's worthless, as I'd spring in a second for Gran Turismo VR, but it's only good in very specific circumstances.
Assuming you can acclimate to a race game. Out of all VR I've played driving a car has made me the most motion sick. Eve: Valkyrie doesn't do it to me (unless I get crazy w/ my maneuvers), but put me behind a wheel & It's almost instant.
Hate to say it, but I use mine mainly to scare visitors with sharks.
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Monday, June 26, 2017, 09:30 (2796 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
The accepted minimum seems to be 90fps. Both eyes updated at 90hz. From my own experience, the current 1080 x 1200 per eye is pretty horrendous. Carmack has said minimum 8k per eye to eliminate seeing pixels.Math here.
http://reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/3jm8rj/request_how_much_resolution_should_a_vr_headset/
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
In terms of visual quality yes, but here are inherent problems that are impossible to overcome without fundamentally new tech. Not saying it's worthless, as I'd spring in a second for Gran Turismo VR, but it's only good in very specific circumstances.
I'm similarly sceptical about VR in general, all it would take is 1 really good space combat game for me to go all in :)
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by cheapLEY , Monday, June 26, 2017, 09:48 (2796 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
Have you played House of the Dying Sun? I haven't played it in VR, but it has support for it and it's a really good space combat game. It's basically the game version of all those cool BSG Viper scenes. Really fun game.
Even without VR, I highly recommend this game
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Monday, June 26, 2017, 10:35 (2796 days ago) @ cheapLEY
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Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, June 26, 2017, 11:36 (2796 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
Is the VR bleeding edge tech rendering at 120fps each eye or is that marketing twist for 60fps each?
The accepted minimum seems to be 90fps. Both eyes updated at 90hz. From my own experience, the current 1080 x 1200 per eye is pretty horrendous. Carmack has said minimum 8k per eye to eliminate seeing pixels.Math here.
http://reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/3jm8rj/request_how_much_resolution_should_a_vr_headset/
Present-day VR makes me excited for 2nd gen VR. It'll be much better. Right now it's still fun to have and play around with, but it could be better.
In terms of visual quality yes, but here are inherent problems that are impossible to overcome without fundamentally new tech. Not saying it's worthless, as I'd spring in a second for Gran Turismo VR, but it's only good in very specific circumstances.
I'm similarly sceptical about VR in general, all it would take is 1 really good space combat game for me to go all in :)
Lucasarts would kill if they made TIE Fighter VR.
"I have you now!"
by marmot 1333 , Monday, June 26, 2017, 13:05 (2796 days ago) @ Cody Miller
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Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Vortech , A Fourth Wheel, Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 10:24 (2795 days ago) @ Korny
As I read this on my new iPad I'm ready to proclam that the board MUST be read at 120fps
Cody in 5 years: "Anything under 120fps is unacceptable!"
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 11:32 (2795 days ago) @ Vortech
As I read this on my new iPad I'm ready to proclam that the board MUST be read at 120fps
You joke, but smooth scrolling is important!
who's joking?
by Vortech , A Fourth Wheel, Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 15:29 (2795 days ago) @ Cody Miller
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I thought this was old news from E3...
by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, June 23, 2017, 18:26 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
Oh, knock it off. The game never ran at 60fps to begin with
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
No player has ever played this Crash Bandicoot game at 60fps. No player will ever play it at 60fps. If Vicarius Visions promised something and didn't deliver it, that's one thing. If not, then you certainly don't have any right to imply that they are doing a bad job. Especially when the very article you quoted said people were happy with the job they did!
Yeah seriously, I'm a big supporter of 60fps
by kidtsunami , Atlanta, GA, Friday, June 23, 2017, 18:54 (2799 days ago) @ Ragashingo
Oh, knock it off. The game never ran at 60fps to begin with
Neither did Uncharted or Last of Us, and it's impossible to go back to 30 after feeling how much better both play.
No player has ever played this Crash Bandicoot game at 60fps. No player will ever play it at 60fps. If Vicarius Visions promised something and didn't deliver it, that's one thing. If not, then you certainly don't have any right to imply that they are doing a bad job. Especially when the very article you quoted said people were happy with the job they did!
And this is kind of a ridiculous complaint.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:57 (2799 days ago) @ Ragashingo
Not to mention the very feel of Crash is best described as floaty. 60fps would most likely either kill that or make absolutely no difference.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Korny , Dalton, Ga. US. Earth, Sol System, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:42 (2799 days ago) @ Ragashingo
So it lives up to Naughty Dog's standards, but not Cody Miller's. Imagine that.
Yeah, Cody has some of the weirdest standards.
Speaking of which, Yahtzee reviewed Vanquish a couple of days ago, and... Well, he didn't like much of anything about it, especially not the crappy one-note aesthetics and incredibly boring and repetitive gameplay.
And the best part is that a massive bug punishes those who wish to play it above 30fps.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 23, 2017, 16:56 (2799 days ago) @ Korny
And the best part is that a massive bug punishes those who wish to play it above 30fps.
That has been fixed. But yeah, the damage has been done.
I thought this was old news from E3...
by cheapLEY , Friday, June 23, 2017, 17:58 (2799 days ago) @ Cody Miller
(thanks to working with Vicarius Visions).
You mean the team who couldn't get a PS1 game running at 60fps on PS4? Meanwhile Bluepoint gives you the Uncharted Collection 60.
More importantly, did they make it actually good? Wait, it's still Crash Bandicoot? No, it's still a bad a game? Okay then.
One of the few things I apparently caught in that interview.
by Funkmon , Friday, June 23, 2017, 15:48 (2799 days ago) @ Korny
But anyway, I thought it was a great piece of information. It makes me think "oh, Bingle is going to try hard to make it great no matter the platform, and it isn't a cash grab."