Which, hypothetically, could be not limiting at all, for what we all know.
There is a possibility that griefing is impossible due to the way the game is implemented and, as such, there would be no need for rules other than the game engine itself.

I assume you find that possible too, don't you?

I don't understand the point of criticizing the tip of an iceberg when you can't look under the water yet...

What I'm saying should be absolutely positively uncontroversial. If you can only play on official servers, and if those official servers have rules (which they will), then it necessarily follows that you are more limited in how you can play versus a game that also lets you play in a place where you can make your own rules. Disprove this. You can't, because it's airtight.

Who cares how much or how little Bungie's rules clash with how you personally want to play? The point is, that it's necessarily and by its very nature limiting players into only playing in ways that Bungie officially endorses.

I care. Yes, more rules by mathematical definition equals less freedom. But if I'm 100% free to play how I choose then I will be happy. If I'm not then I'll be unhappy and might even come to this community and share my unhappiness in a respectful and constructive way. Right now you have no idea what rules there will be yet you criticize anyway… And it's getting annoying.

In my eyes you're being quite the nuisance around here. Not 24 hours have passed and you're already coming around with your absolutely positively this, and your I will tell you if it will suck or not that. I enjoy good debates as much or more than the next person, but you're not trying to debate, or offer up constructive criticism. You're trying to be antagonistic. And worse you're doing it with, as previously mentioned, next to no data about this new game to back you up.

I, as many of us have said, am thrilled to get in on the ground floor of a new Bungie game and community. It's my first one I get to see from the very beginning. I look forward to enjoying the game with the rest of this community. I am not, however, happy that you've made the jump over from HBO. Not if you're going to continue posting like this. Criticism is fine, even welcome. But not in the first 24 hours. Not when you have next to no information about what the game will be like.

I guess I'll end with a question to you. Would you please tone down this… whatever it is you call what you do… around here at least until you have solid facts about what Destiny is and isn't? Let us get this community started on a positive note, without your constant trolling and holier than thou criticisms? I have no authority to ask it, no incentive that I can offer you, except that it would make me, and others I think, happier.

… and that's all I have to say about that.

What I'm saying should be absolutely positively uncontroversial. If you can only play on official servers, and if those official servers have rules (which they will), then it necessarily follows that you are more limited in how you can play versus a game that also lets you play in a place where you can make your own rules. Disprove this. You can't, because it's airtight.

The only game that truly lets me make my own rules is called "Levi's Brain". It's good, you should check it out sometime. :)

From my view, my original response already covered showed how your theory isn't airtight. Hack the game, create your own server, play how you want.

Think of the flipside:

You could say Halo CE was limited to how I could play, since it didn't have an online mode. I wanted one. I used XBox Connect to trick my XBox into thinking it was playing a LAN.

To me, this is equivalent to glitching an offline mode to do something Bungie didn't intend, because Bungie didn't intend for me to play online in Halo CE either. It would also be equivalent to forging your own server for a hacked Destiny game. If you want to glitch, trick, or cheat in any game, you just have to make it happen different ways. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard.

Who cares how much or how little Bungie's rules clash with how you personally want to play? The point is, that it's necessarily and by its very nature limiting players into only playing in ways that Bungie officially endorses.

Without modding or glitching, I've never been able to play a game any way I wanted (besides resorting to purely my imagination). I'm always limited by something, even in the freest games I've played. I can't get past the map border in Age of Empires, I can't fly in Sonic without Chaos Emeralds, I can't play off the board in chess, I can't play offline in Destiny. That doesn't mean, like chess, that what Destiny does offer isn't a ridiculous multitude of freedoms. If executed brilliantly, perhaps more freedoms than all the ways you could have glitched in an offline mode.

Destiny is an online game. It isn't a sequel that did away with a campaign - it isn't going back on its word yet. Is it what it is, and we know only a small percentage of what means. Hell, there could be a server-world where rules are enforced and one where anything goes! Why not try optimism for a change?

You're currently complaining to a butcher about the lack of vegetarian offers, and you're not even through the front door yet!