I am all for 4K in movies and TV. But not in games yet. You clearly don’t understand my position.

You have X amount of GPU power left over. Do you use it to render in 4K, or use it to make the image better?

Yeah, I do understand even though the alcohol is flowing. You're failing to see we are already to the place you're saying we shouldn't go. You're too late to stop the snowballs from rolling down hill.

Listen to the people who have the new gear. It's glorious. Not perfect but glorious anyway.

You think I haven't seen games running in HDR in 4K? Sure it's great, but it would look better in 1080p if they kept the HDR and used the GPU for better things. There are plenty of HDR 1080p TVs out there, and even on a 4K TV it'll just upscale beautifully a 1080p render.

I think it will be a moot point soon enough. There's a limit to how much resolution the human eye can detect, and then the power will be directed elsewhere. Right now it's a selling point that is easy to quantify, regardless of its true value. You seem to imply that only the resolution is what has been improved and that's not true.

Sharper: I would rather have a better looking image (more lighting effects and shaders) than a small amount of extra sharpness.

The lighting and particle effects are precisely what Impressed me playing on the Xbox One X on a 4K OLED. I started a new character and the first mission and arcololgy strike in particular were stunning.

I'm with Cody here. That's not the 4k that makes the difference but the additional shaders and lighting effects. Destiny 2 on the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro might be the prettiest game that's ever been made. Don't need 4k to see that.

This argument is kinda going sideways between “how things could/should be better” vs “how things actually are”.

Theoretically speaking, I’m with Cody. I don’t believe 4K resolution is a worthwhile use of processor power. I’d rather see those teraflops put to use in other ways.

But practically speaking, playing Destiny 2 on my 55” 4K HDR screen on an Xbox One X is noticeably better looking than it does playing in 1080p through an Xbox One S, AND it runs smoother. So I may not agree with the direction hardware manufacturers are going, but there is still an improvement in the overall results (although I do tend to agree again with Cody that most of the difference is thanks to HDR and not screen res.)

I'd say it's not fair to compare the XB1X with the XB1S. Now if you would, in the interest of science, hook your XB1X up to a non-4k screen and compare to see how it looks vs. the 4k, that would be interesting to know the results of. I'm gonna guess that it's very nearly as good as long as you're sitting 5' or more away from the TV.

I did exactly that when I first got my Xbox One X, and the difference between it and my S on a 1080 screen was negligible. That’s actually why I got a 4K TV, because that’s what it takes to see an appreciable difference.

But that’s all kind of sideways to the point I was trying to make. I was saying that I agree with Cody that 4K is probably not the best use of resources. That putting that extra hoursepower towards better lighting, particle effects, animation budgets, frame rates, and stuff like that would all make a more drastic improvement than rendering at 4K does. But having said that, playing Destiny in 4K on an Xbox One X does actually look better than playing it in 1080 on a One X or a One S, so there is still a bit of a visual gain.

Sharper: I would rather have a better looking image (more lighting effects and shaders) than a small amount of extra sharpness.

The lighting and particle effects are precisely what Impressed me playing on the Xbox One X on a 4K OLED. I started a new character and the first mission and arcololgy strike in particular were stunning.

I'm with Cody here. That's not the 4k that makes the difference but the additional shaders and lighting effects. Destiny 2 on the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro might be the prettiest game that's ever been made. Don't need 4k to see that.

This argument is kinda going sideways between “how things could/should be better” vs “how things actually are”.

Theoretically speaking, I’m with Cody. I don’t believe 4K resolution is a worthwhile use of processor power. I’d rather see those teraflops put to use in other ways.

But practically speaking, playing Destiny 2 on my 55” 4K HDR screen on an Xbox One X is noticeably better looking than it does playing in 1080p through an Xbox One S, AND it runs smoother. So I may not agree with the direction hardware manufacturers are going, but there is still an improvement in the overall results (although I do tend to agree again with Cody that most of the difference is thanks to HDR and not screen res.)

I'd say it's not fair to compare the XB1X with the XB1S. Now if you would, in the interest of science, hook your XB1X up to a non-4k screen and compare to see how it looks vs. the 4k, that would be interesting to know the results of. I'm gonna guess that it's very nearly as good as long as you're sitting 5' or more away from the TV.

I kind of did that a bit. I ran PC Destiny 2 at 4K on my 1080p screen, and the only thing that I noticed was a bit of a grainy overlay on everything. Not film grain, but like a coating of dust on surfaces themselves. Otherwise it looked pretty much exactly the same.