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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2 (Destiny)

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 17:51 (2529 days ago)

For a long time now, I’ve wanted to do something of a survey of each of Destiny 2’s Destinations to see if I could find anything that would point to the temperature of each location. I undertook that survey last night and... here’s what I found.

First, here’s what I was looking at:

  • Different states of water. (Ice, Liquid, Gas/Fog)
  • The types of clothing Human characters are wearing
  • Steam and Condensation around objects that are hotter or colder than their environments
  • Light-bending heat waves / air currents
  • Red hot metals or burning materials

The Results:

The Tower & The Farm

  • Virtually everyone is wearing long pants and long sleeves, but nothing particularly heavy.
  • A number of people are wearing hoods or other head coverings, but these seem to be more cultural than for warmth

Conclusion: Temperature is likely in the 50s-60s given the amount of time those on guard duty probably have to stand outside.

European Dead Zone

  • Absolutely no ice anywhere
  • Devrim Kay is dressed in a long sleeve, coat-ish outfit.
  • There is sometimes some light fog around the river that flows from the dam

Conclusion: Temperature is likely in the 40s or even upper 30s, but could be in the 50s as well.

Titan

  • Methane melts at -296 °F and boils at -258 °F. The sea is a “methane sea.”
  • An overhead announcement in the Archology makes it clear that Humanity, not the Traveler, did work to terraform Titan.
  • Though there are some air locks on the rig, there’s also a lot of open air doorways.
  • There is an icy “hail” near the bridge to the Archology, but none of the drizzle is sticking or building up on structures.

Conclusion: Though the methane ocean is liquid, it seems likely that temperatures are not nearly so low as -258 °F. At least not on the rigs or in the New Pacific Archology. Perhaps the rigs themselves are heated and maintain a nearby warmed, breathable atmosphere? No Space Magic, but perhaps good ole Golden Age ingenuity?

Nessus

  • Milk is liquid, but its boiling and melting points are unknown.
  • It is not entirely clear that the atmosphere is breathable or the correct temperature for life as we know it. The only humanoid creatures are Guardians (who come in sealed armor), Eliksni (who breath Ether), Cabal (who’s armor is pressurized with an alternate environment even on Earth), and Vex (who are mostly robot).
  • Even more telling, all the findable crew of the Exodus Black were still in their space suits. Some have cracked helmet faceplates.
  • Those trees and birds and butterflies? They’re alien (Vex?) trees and birds and butterflies. Standard rules of pressure and temperature may not apply.
  • That said, there does appear to be liquid water near Failsafe’s section of the Exodus Black.

Conclusion: Temperatures are likely above 32 °F. Grenades and bullets still work normally, so pressure and gravity are probably earth standard. All else is essentially unknown or unknowable.

Io

  • Io was partially terraformed by the Traveler. Environmental conditions are likely safe for Humans
  • There are some pools of water here and there
  • There are few if any other indicators of weather

Conclusion: Very hard to say much. Since there appears to be some liquid water the temps are probably above freezing, but that’s about all that can be known.

The Almighty

  • Is substantially closer to the sun than we ever get in any other part of Destiny.
  • The sun facing side is hot enough to harm Guardians and Cabal in their environmental armor.
  • The Almighty is firing a massive beam and is crunching a ton of the crust of Mercury... it’s probably generating a lot of heat all on its own.

Conclusion: Temperatures are likely somewhere between hot and disentigrating, depending on where you are at the time.

The Leviathan

  • There are exterior “waterfalls” that might even be flowing water. The “water” is black and you die if you jump in it.

Conclusion: No idea.

Mercury

  • The sun is large overhead.
  • It is Mercury.

Conclusion: Hot.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 18:09 (2529 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Titan

  • Methane melts at -296 °F and boils at -258 °F. The sea is a “methane sea.”
  • An overhead announcement in the Archology makes it clear that Humanity, not the Traveler, did work to terraform Titan.
  • Though there are some air locks on the rig, there’s also a lot of open air doorways.
  • There is an icy “hail” near the bridge to the Archology, but none of the drizzle is sticking or building up on structures.

Conclusion: Though the methane ocean is liquid, it seems likely that temperatures are not nearly so low as -258 °F. At least not on the rigs or in the New Pacific Archology. Perhaps the rigs themselves are heated and maintain a nearby warmed, breathable atmosphere? No Space Magic, but perhaps good ole Golden Age ingenuity?

How do you know it's not water, replaced either by us or by the traveler?

Nothing makes any physical sense. The gravity on Nessus would be very very low, but it's the same as on Earth apparently. I always felt like different gravity would give each location its own mechanical feel.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 19:14 (2529 days ago) @ Cody Miller
edited by Ragashingo, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 19:17

Titan

  • Methane melts at -296 °F and boils at -258 °F. The sea is a “methane sea.”
  • An overhead announcement in the Archology makes it clear that Humanity, not the Traveler, did work to terraform Titan.
  • Though there are some air locks on the rig, there’s also a lot of open air doorways.
  • There is an icy “hail” near the bridge to the Archology, but none of the drizzle is sticking or building up on structures.

Conclusion: Though the methane ocean is liquid, it seems likely that temperatures are not nearly so low as -258 °F. At least not on the rigs or in the New Pacific Archology. Perhaps the rigs themselves are heated and maintain a nearby warmed, breathable atmosphere? No Space Magic, but perhaps good ole Golden Age ingenuity?


How do you know it's not water, replaced either by us or by the traveler?

Well, it wasn’t the Traveler, because an overhead announcement in the Archology makes it clear that Humanity, not the Traveler, did work to terraform Titan.

I always felt like different gravity would give each location its own mechanical feel.

Agreed. Maybe it doesn’t need huge differences (double jumps would quickly get insane!) but a noticeable difference here and there would be nice.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by cheapLEY @, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 19:16 (2529 days ago) @ Cody Miller

https://www.gamesradar.com/were-going-to-titan-theres-40-foot-methane-ocean-waves-destiny-2s-art-director-reveals-the...

[This one] came straight out of the brain of Jesse van Dijk, our world art director. He just basically showed up in a meeting, we were talking about the story of the Vanguard and how’d they been scattered, how they were reacting to their loss and what their character arcs demanded and yeah, he just showed up with a pitch and just said, “We’re going to Titan, there’s 40-foot methane ocean waves,” and we were like, “Yeah, that sounds good. Let’s do it!” It was pretty awesome.

Not sure where you stand on out-of-game info being canon, but there it is.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 20:11 (2529 days ago) @ cheapLEY

Not sure where you stand on out-of-game info being canon, but there it is.

You are saying this to one of the guys who made a website about how Reach encroached on the book canon. Some people here have heard of it.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by cheapLEY @, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 20:19 (2529 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Not sure where you stand on out-of-game info being canon, but there it is.


You are saying this to one of the guys who made a website about how Reach encroached on the book canon. Some people here have heard of it.

Lol. Fair enough.

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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by Kahzgul, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 18:47 (2529 days ago) @ Ragashingo

For a long time now, I’ve wanted to do something of a survey of each of Destiny 2’s Destinations to see if I could find anything that would point to the temperature of each location. I undertook that survey last night and... here’s what I found.

Interesting thought experiment. I like it!

First, here’s what I was looking at:

  • Different states of water. (Ice, Liquid, Gas/Fog)
  • The types of clothing Human characters are wearing
  • Steam and Condensation around objects that are hotter or colder than their environments
  • Light-bending heat waves / air currents
  • Red hot metals or burning materials

The Results:

The Tower & The Farm

  • Virtually everyone is wearing long pants and long sleeves, but nothing particularly heavy.
  • A number of people are wearing hoods or other head coverings, but these seem to be more cultural than for warmth

Conclusion: Temperature is likely in the 50s-60s given the amount of time those on guard duty probably have to stand outside.

European Dead Zone

  • Absolutely no ice anywhere
  • Devrim Kay is dressed in a long sleeve, coat-ish outfit.
  • There is sometimes some light fog around the river that flows from the dam

Conclusion: Temperature is likely in the 40s or even upper 30s, but could be in the 50s as well.

These two make sense to me.


Titan

  • Methane melts at -296 °F and boils at -258 °F. The sea is a “methane sea.”
  • An overhead announcement in the Archology makes it clear that Humanity, not the Traveler, did work to terraform Titan.
  • Though there are some air locks on the rig, there’s also a lot of open air doorways.
  • There is an icy “hail” near the bridge to the Archology, but none of the drizzle is sticking or building up on structures.

Conclusion: Though the methane ocean is liquid, it seems likely that temperatures are not nearly so low as -258 °F. At least not on the rigs or in the New Pacific Archology. Perhaps the rigs themselves are heated and maintain a nearby warmed, breathable atmosphere? No Space Magic, but perhaps good ole Golden Age ingenuity?

Ahh, but the Titan quest npc doesn't even bother with a helmet, so that means there must be both a breathable atmosphere and reasonable temperatures for a human's whole head to be exposed, right? It would be one thing if she were an exo, but she's not; she's just a normal run of the mill human.


Nessus

  • Milk is liquid, but its boiling and melting points are unknown.

It also contains electricity, which is... weird.

[*]It is not entirely clear that the atmosphere is breathable or the correct temperature for life as we know it. The only humanoid creatures are Guardians (who come in sealed armor), Eliksni (who breath Ether), Cabal (who’s armor is pressurized with an alternate environment even on Earth), and Vex (who are mostly robot).
[*]Even more telling, all the findable crew of the Exodus Black were still in their space suits. Some have cracked helmet faceplates.
[*]Those trees and birds and butterflies? They’re alien (Vex?) trees and birds and butterflies. Standard rules of pressure and temperature may not apply.

I don't believe the life forms are Vex, since one of the things the vex do "in the future" is eliminate all life on the planet as part of their machine making process.

[*]That said, there does appear to be liquid water near Failsafe’s section of the Exodus Black.
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Conclusion: Temperatures are likely above 32 °F. Grenades and bullets still work normally, so pressure and gravity are probably earth standard. All else is essentially unknown or unknowable.

Io

  • Io was partially terraformed by the Traveler. Environmental conditions are likely safe for Humans
  • There are some pools of water here and there
  • There are few if any other indicators of weather

Conclusion: Very hard to say much. Since there appears to be some liquid water the temps are probably above freezing, but that’s about all that can be known.

Unknown if Awoken have similar breathing and temperature requirements to normal humans, but the quest NPC here uses no mask or helmet to breathe/maintain temperature.


The Almighty

  • Is substantially closer to the sun than we ever get in any other part of Destiny.
  • The sun facing side is hot enough to harm Guardians and Cabal in their environmental armor.
  • The Almighty is firing a massive beam and is crunching a ton of the crust of Mercury... it’s probably generating a lot of heat all on its own.

Conclusion: Temperatures are likely somewhere between hot and disentigrating, depending on where you are at the time.

The Leviathan

  • There are exterior “waterfalls” that might even be flowing water. The “water” is black and you die if you jump in it.

Conclusion: No idea.

lol well played.


Mercury

  • The sun is large overhead.
  • It is Mercury.

Conclusion: Hot.

Depends on where you are - Mercury is tidally locked and so half of the planet is very very cold while the other half is very very hot. There is a band around the edges that would be perfectly habitable, though it obviously wouldn't be in the sun, which our mercury area most certainly is.

BUT... The almighty is hotter than Mercury, which the Almighty is using as fuel? Maybe the sun is providing some sort of massive heat-feedback in response to the Almighty's beam? No way to really know. I'm sure we could guess at how big the sun is in the skybox, compare it to earth's skybox, and then guess at how far away we actually are for every world, but that seems both time consuming and excessive.

ultimately, I think I'm with Cody on this: No efforts were made to make any of this believable or realistic outside of normal Earth norms.

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Thursday, March 08, 2018, 19:15 (2529 days ago) @ Kahzgul

ultimately, I think I'm with Cody on this: No efforts were made to make any of this believable or realistic outside of normal Earth norms.

You can die more than once, too!

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by Kahzgul, Friday, March 09, 2018, 09:14 (2528 days ago) @ Ragashingo

ultimately, I think I'm with Cody on this: No efforts were made to make any of this believable or realistic outside of normal Earth norms.


You can die more than once, too!

But that's explained well by having a ghost that has the power to bring you back. The weather and gravity stuff, well, there's not anything close to an attempt being made, at least not when it comes to places that can't be explained by "the traveler did it."

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, March 09, 2018, 10:13 (2528 days ago) @ Kahzgul

ultimately, I think I'm with Cody on this: No efforts were made to make any of this believable or realistic outside of normal Earth norms.


You can die more than once, too!


But that's explained well by having a ghost that has the power to bring you back. The weather and gravity stuff, well, there's not anything close to an attempt being made, at least not when it comes to places that can't be explained by "the traveler did it."

Which places are those? I count one place that we visit that was not altered by the Traveler or another “sufficiently advanced” race:

  • Titan

Vs

  • Earth
  • The Moon
  • Venus
  • The Reef
  • Mars
  • Phobos
  • Oryx’s Dreadnaught
  • Io
  • Nessus
  • Calus’ Leviathan

It’s funny, I almost put Titan in the second list since post-collapse Humanity has the tech to hollow out asteroids and link ships together and live in space as seen in the Reef. I don’t think we have significant gravity tech, certainly not on a planetary scale, but humanity in Destiny is still a good bit more advanced than 2018 humanity is.

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by Kahzgul, Friday, March 09, 2018, 16:24 (2528 days ago) @ Ragashingo

ultimately, I think I'm with Cody on this: No efforts were made to make any of this believable or realistic outside of normal Earth norms.


You can die more than once, too!


But that's explained well by having a ghost that has the power to bring you back. The weather and gravity stuff, well, there's not anything close to an attempt being made, at least not when it comes to places that can't be explained by "the traveler did it."


Which places are those? I count one place that we visit that was not altered by the Traveler or another “sufficiently advanced” race:

  • Titan

Vs

  • Earth
  • The Moon
  • Venus
  • The Reef
  • Mars
  • Phobos
  • Oryx’s Dreadnaught
  • Io
  • Nessus
  • Calus’ Leviathan

It’s funny, I almost put Titan in the second list since post-collapse Humanity has the tech to hollow out asteroids and link ships together and live in space as seen in the Reef. I don’t think we have significant gravity tech, certainly not on a planetary scale, but humanity in Destiny is still a good bit more advanced than 2018 humanity is.

Wait... Are you saying the Vex, Hive, and Cabal are on the same level as the Traveler? Okay, I had not considered them in the same league, and - as such, was definitely assuming that they couldn't do things like change gravity or cause life to flourish where it once didn't. Certainly that would change things. Also, one argument for humanity having gravity tech: The reef has normal gravity and a breathable atmosphere in D1. I'm pretty sure it's not just spinning really quickly to generate force, but maybe it is? Dunno.

Anyway, I think we're getting into some "whose capable of what" issues. Again, if you look at it (as I was/do) as only the Traveler can do full-on terraforming into a living world with normal gravity and a breathable atmosphere, then we're talking about

  • Titan
  • The Moon
  • The Reef
  • Phobos
  • Oryx’s Dreadnaught
  • Nessus
  • Calus’ Leviathan

Vs

  • Earth
  • Venus
  • Mars
  • Io

Anyway, that's how I viewed it. There's no reason why the Vex, Cabal, and Hive would all decide to make their own worlds, ships, and moons all have earth-normal gravity. It just doesn't make sense. And on Titan, for example, if humans did make it earth-normal gravity, then they wouldn't have 40 foot methane waves, because the gravity would make them behave differently, right? Inconsistencies abound. I'm fine with them, but let's please not pretend that there's a perfectly reasonable and canon-supported explanation for all of this weirdness.

Of course, now that I've said that, I'm going to do my best to come up with a canon-supported argument that does explain it all.

First, we know we're NOT in a Vex simulation because they cannot simulate the Light. So that option is ruled out. BUT, it has been theorized that perhaps the Vex are the future descendants of exos via Charlemagne or another warmind gone rogue, which would explain a predilection for earth-normal gravity. Plus the certainly have the acumen to completely alter worlds (and time, and therefore spacetime, which is where gravity comes into play), so changing the gravity of places they've visited is definitely feasible and also changing it to earth specific seems to back up this theory.

For the Cabal, we know they drop planets on their enemies, so maybe they use some kind of gravitational propulsion (or pull-pulsion?) to make those things happen, though I kind of always assumed they would just use bigger and bigger bombs until the orbit shifted in the way they wanted. They don't seem to be keen on terraforming, what with most of them needing to wear masks (except Gary and his advisor... so inconsistent and frustrating to me!). I dunno, I can't think of any reason why their mars bases, phobos bases, spaceships, etc. would all have artificial gravity set to match Earth's. it doesn't make any real sense to me, even if the cabal were capable of gravity manipulation, which I doubt (because seriously why try to blow up a bomb in the dreadnaught if you could just gravity manipulate it to crash into saturn?). I can't think of any good rationale here.

The Hive, save deal. Obviously they can terraform places to become more "hive-like," but their terraforming seems quite localized, more like an infection than an organized global event, and that makes gravity manipulation on planetary or even lunar scale seem highly unlikely until, at least, the entire world is infected. And - as with the Cabal - why choose Earth standard? They've conquered thousands of worlds. There's no reason to change what they've been doing just for little ol' us.

Again, the easiest explanation is that a design decisions was made to just keep gravity consistent for the sake of gameplay, and to not explain why at all. It's a logical game design choice, though it does result in some arbitrary-ness that makes thought exercises like this one a tad disappointing. Do I wish Marathon had more outside the ship levels where you need to refill your oxygen? Yes. Do I also think it's weird that your space suit only has a few seconds of oxygen in it rather than several hours? Also yes. But the explanation of "it makes for more fun gameplay" is wholly acceptable to me. It is, after all, a game. Same applies to Destiny. It's okay to let consistency go if it makes the game more fun (see Gary just breathing whatever is around like it's no big deal while cabal grunts always wear some kind of breathing mask). Perhaps frustrating, but ultimately better for the game. Imagine if you had to figure out how to judge your jumps all over again every time you changed worlds. UGH. Much better this way.

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, March 09, 2018, 17:03 (2528 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Read the other stuff, and yeah. It’s mostly gameplay convenience. That said, this caught my eye:

…or cause life to flourish where it once didn't.

It is spelled out that this is exactly what the Vex did to Nessus. It used to be just a hunk of rock. Now it’s got trees and birds and so on. The Vex can certainly destroy a world like they did at Mercury, but the can also apparently create as well. Like at Nessus.. (..and The Black Garden?)

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by Kahzgul, Friday, March 09, 2018, 17:12 (2528 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Read the other stuff, and yeah. It’s mostly gameplay convenience. That said, this caught my eye:

…or cause life to flourish where it once didn't.


It is spelled out that this is exactly what the Vex did to Nessus. It used to be just a hunk of rock. Now it’s got trees and birds and so on. The Vex can certainly destroy a world like they did at Mercury, but the can also apparently create as well. Like at Nessus.. (..and The Black Garden?)

Wait, I thought I recalled a bit of dialogue where Failsafe (IIRC, it's been awhile) mentioned she predicted the vex would wipe out all life on nessus down to 99.98% extinction or something of the sort if they weren't stopped?

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by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, March 09, 2018, 17:32 (2528 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Nope. The quote is pointed in the other direction.


Ghost: Centaurs are supposed to be just giant icy rocks. How did all this happen?
Failsafe: A robotic alien entity called the Vex have achieved 92.014 percent conversion of the Centaur Nessus.

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by Kahzgul, Monday, March 12, 2018, 16:45 (2525 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Nope. The quote is pointed in the other direction.


Ghost: Centaurs are supposed to be just giant icy rocks. How did all this happen?
Failsafe: A robotic alien entity called the Vex have achieved 92.014 percent conversion of the Centaur Nessus.

Ahh, see, later in the same quest, Failsafe says:

Ghost: How long have you been here, exactly?
Failsafe: Long enough to see the Vex convert this entire planetoid, kill all living organisms, reformat molecules, and digitize brain waves for further study. It’s a fascinating process!

Sooo... Obviously there is still what looks like life on Nessus, but maybe it's... Vex robo-plants?

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by stabbim @, Des Moines, IA, USA, Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:00 (2525 days ago) @ Kahzgul

Sooo... Obviously there is still what looks like life on Nessus, but maybe it's... Vex robo-plants?

Certainly a possibility, but what if we consider the following two statements:

1. The Vex killed all living organisms on Nessus at some point in the past.

2. There is currently life on Nessus, which the Vex created, transplanted, or otherwise caused to be present in some manner.

I don't think those two are mutually exclusive.

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Conflicting signals

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:04 (2525 days ago) @ Kahzgul

So Ghost is surprised Nessus is NOT a cold dead rock, but Failsafe directly tells us there was some living organisms there.

So:

  • Did she mean her crew and crew alone?
  • Does Ghost "simply" not know the Traveler terraformed Nessus?
  • Did the Vex terraform Nessus and THEN proceeded to kill it all in some twisted experiment?
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by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:18 (2525 days ago) @ ZackDark

So Ghost is surprised Nessus is NOT a cold dead rock, but Failsafe directly tells us there was some living organisms there.

So:

  • Did she mean her crew and crew alone?
  • Does Ghost "simply" not know the Traveler terraformed Nessus?
  • Did the Vex terraform Nessus and THEN proceeded to kill it all in some twisted experiment?

Or was it an oversight by the writers?

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A More Definitive Answer

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, March 12, 2018, 20:33 (2525 days ago) @ Kahzgul

I obtained the Orpheus Rig exotic Hunter armor over the weekend, and it has this to say:

Quantis Rhee has almost forgotten what colors are. For months, she has prowled the deep, shadowed catacombs of Nessus—the places where the inexorable Vex burrowed into the rogue planet and replaced natural life with a cold, inhuman labyrinth.

This fits with:

Ghost: Centaurs are supposed to be just giant icy rocks. How did all this happen?
Failsafe: A robotic alien entity called the Vex have achieved 92.014 percent conversion of the Centaur Nessus.

Failsafe: Long enough to see the Vex convert this entire planetoid, kill all living organisms, reformat molecules, and digitize brain waves for further study. It's a fascinating process!

There’s also a couple of references to Nessus passing through our solar system and then disappearing for a while before reappearing 127 years ago.

FIRST 25-MATCH CRUCIBLE WINNING STREAK RECORDED. RELATED: REY, I.
CENTAUR PLANETOID "7066 NESSUS" RE-ENTERS SYSTEM AFTER UNEXPLAINED DELAY. RELAT~XXX

Ghost: This is like a… cornerstone for Nessus. Put here by the Vex to mark linear time. It's been 127 of our years since Nessus last traveled through our system. I don't know how many Vex years that is.

My best guess is that the Traveler terraformed Nessus when it was just an icy rock some time ago but later the Vex grabbed it and Vexified it, killing all the life the Travler put there replacing it with the plant and animal life we now see. Yeah, as odd as it seems, the Vex are part time gardeners:

Ghost: All the foliage around this access point is somehow augmenting its firewall. I thought the trees were mostly organic, but… just add this to the pile of things we don't understand about the Vex.

Ghost: If I'm reading this right there are… other Gardens. Like Black Garden Gardens. I couldn't tell if they were being built, or were already destroyed… what does it mean?

Does it make total sense from our perspective? No. But then... the Vex are often intentionally written to be a bit mysterious:

Ghost: This particle beam is responsible for holding this entire structure together! How do the Vex… no, don't think too hard about it. I'm still defragging from the last time I tried to figure out their physics.

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A More Definitive Answer

by Kahzgul, Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:15 (2524 days ago) @ Ragashingo

Thanks for pulling all of these lines. That bit about the plants augmenting the firewall adds credence to the theory that the plants are vex in nature and are also not actually "plants" but rather some robo-folliage hybrid thing (we know the vex contain organic matter as well, so this hybridization is consistent with vex, uh, "life").

So from all of this, do we surmise that:

- At some point in the past there was actual life on nessus (maybe from the traveler?)
- The vex showed up and killed all life.
- The vex turned nessus into a machine world.
- Part of a functioning vex machine world is at least partially robotic plant life.

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A More Definitive Answer

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:48 (2524 days ago) @ Kahzgul

We suspect Vex don’t have to inhabit their distinct robot forms. The scientists rescued from the Ishtar Academy approached Vex structures like this:

Up here they have to act by biomechanical proxy. No human being in the Ishtar Academy has ever crossed the safety cordon and walked the ancient stone under the Citadel, the Vex construct that stabs up out of the world to injure space and time. It's not safe. The cellular Vex elements are infectious, hallucinogenic, entheogenic. The informational Vex elements are more dangerous yet— and there could be semiotic hazards beyond them, aggressive ideas, Vex who exist without a substrate. Even now, operating remote bodies by neural link, the team's thoughts are relayed through the warmind who saved them, sandboxed and scrubbed for hazards. Their real bodies are safe in the Academy, protected by distance and neural firewall.

Maybe there are different types of Vex worlds? Mercury was converted to be a massive simulation engine. Maybe Nessus served some different purpose? The vast quantities of “milk” which we also know as Vex “mind fluid” might suggest that Nessus was a place for Vex to... live? Reproduce? Think of Industrial Zones and Residential Zones in Sim City, just on a massive alien robot scale.

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by Kahzgul, Thursday, March 15, 2018, 10:09 (2522 days ago) @ Ragashingo

We suspect Vex don’t have to inhabit their distinct robot forms. The scientists rescued from the Ishtar Academy approached Vex structures like this:

Up here they have to act by biomechanical proxy. No human being in the Ishtar Academy has ever crossed the safety cordon and walked the ancient stone under the Citadel, the Vex construct that stabs up out of the world to injure space and time. It's not safe. The cellular Vex elements are infectious, hallucinogenic, entheogenic. The informational Vex elements are more dangerous yet— and there could be semiotic hazards beyond them, aggressive ideas, Vex who exist without a substrate. Even now, operating remote bodies by neural link, the team's thoughts are relayed through the warmind who saved them, sandboxed and scrubbed for hazards. Their real bodies are safe in the Academy, protected by distance and neural firewall.

Maybe there are different types of Vex worlds? Mercury was converted to be a massive simulation engine. Maybe Nessus served some different purpose? The vast quantities of “milk” which we also know as Vex “mind fluid” might suggest that Nessus was a place for Vex to... live? Reproduce? Think of Industrial Zones and Residential Zones in Sim City, just on a massive alien robot scale.

I'm on board with all of this. Though if the Vex "milk" is them reproducing... ewww.


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Weather Conditions in Destiny 2

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Friday, March 09, 2018, 08:03 (2528 days ago) @ Ragashingo

All this talk of boiling points and no mention of pressure? Tsk tsk tsk (Of course, that would make things even colder in every planet but Earth. Yeesh)

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In my defense, I did consider that stuff...

by Ragashingo ⌂, Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, March 09, 2018, 08:48 (2528 days ago) @ ZackDark

...but figured any crazy over or under pressure environment would adversely affect bullet drop grenade throwing. :)

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In my defense, I did consider that stuff...

by Cody Miller @, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Saturday, March 10, 2018, 12:23 (2527 days ago) @ Ragashingo

...but figured any crazy over or under pressure environment would adversely affect bullet drop grenade throwing. :)

I don't know why this reminds me, but isn't it a bit weird there's no exotic that's a flamethrower? Naturally it would do Void damage.

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inb4 Korny's Warframe post

by ZackDark @, Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Saturday, March 10, 2018, 20:24 (2527 days ago) @ Cody Miller

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